1
00:00:43,750 --> 00:00:15,500
[Music]

2
00:00:49,830 --> 00:00:45,830
hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

3
00:00:51,189 --> 00:00:49,840
willis your host and we are off on time

4
00:00:52,069 --> 00:00:51,199
as far as the time we're a little bit

5
00:00:56,470 --> 00:00:52,079
late

6
00:00:58,950 --> 00:00:56,480
has not shown up uh we're waiting for

7
00:01:01,990 --> 00:00:58,960
him trey hudson i've got uh someone on

8
00:01:04,710 --> 00:01:02,000
the line a good friend and uh who

9
00:01:06,230 --> 00:01:04,720
at the last minute i asked i said help

10
00:01:09,190 --> 00:01:06,240
he's driving but at least we'll get a

11
00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:09,200
conversation going and i have to tell

12
00:01:14,230 --> 00:01:12,080
you though if anyone would like to

13
00:01:16,550 --> 00:01:14,240
be on our mailing list it's a once a

14
00:01:18,630 --> 00:01:16,560
week newsletter and i only send it out

15
00:01:20,710 --> 00:01:18,640
once a week but if there's any changes

16
00:01:23,190 --> 00:01:20,720
with the show like for instance this

17
00:01:24,870 --> 00:01:23,200
week changed the day and actually

18
00:01:26,789 --> 00:01:24,880
changed the time by one hour that was

19
00:01:28,710 --> 00:01:26,799
the a last-minute thing though but uh

20
00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:28,720
whenever there's changes uh you'll get

21
00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:31,840
this uh once a week email

22
00:01:37,429 --> 00:01:35,040
newsletter that just has the guest and

23
00:01:39,510 --> 00:01:37,439
uh blog only there's nothing else really

24
00:01:42,230 --> 00:01:39,520
there it comes out once a week on

25
00:01:43,910 --> 00:01:42,240
usually on tuesday mornings and it's

26
00:01:46,230 --> 00:01:43,920
very easy to sign up for that you know

27
00:01:48,149 --> 00:01:46,240
just go to podcastufo.com

28
00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:48,159
and over on the sidebar you'll see it'll

29
00:01:52,550 --> 00:01:49,920
say weekly newsletter just put your

30
00:01:56,069 --> 00:01:52,560
email address in that and confirm it and

31
00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:56,079
that's it um during the break today that

32
00:02:00,870 --> 00:01:58,320
is if the show will go on or at some

33
00:02:02,870 --> 00:02:00,880
point um i'm going to be playing a real

34
00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:02,880
special treat a friend of mine and long

35
00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:04,560
time listener mark stanley out in

36
00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:06,840
california beautiful voice great

37
00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:10,080
musician and uh he has a tune that he's

38
00:02:15,350 --> 00:02:13,040
done uh about roswell i think i played

39
00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:15,360
this quite a while ago at one time he

40
00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:17,440
remastered it and it's out and it's

41
00:02:21,670 --> 00:02:19,440
called out of the sky and it's a

42
00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:21,680
beautiful time a beautiful tune and that

43
00:02:27,670 --> 00:02:24,000
will be coming up at some point

44
00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:27,680
um i did mention on one of the shows a

45
00:02:31,430 --> 00:02:28,959
few shows ago

46
00:02:34,309 --> 00:02:31,440
that if anyone would like to be on a

47
00:02:35,110 --> 00:02:34,319
three-minute clip uh please email me

48
00:02:40,390 --> 00:02:35,120
at

49
00:02:41,270 --> 00:02:40,400
on a three-minute clip about your ufo

50
00:02:43,350 --> 00:02:41,280
sighting

51
00:02:44,949 --> 00:02:43,360
just let me know and so far i have

52
00:02:46,390 --> 00:02:44,959
recorded a number of those and they'll

53
00:02:48,070 --> 00:02:46,400
be coming up through

54
00:02:49,509 --> 00:02:48,080
shows in the future

55
00:02:51,670 --> 00:02:49,519
but um

56
00:02:54,869 --> 00:02:51,680
the one thing i will ask you is you just

57
00:02:57,589 --> 00:02:54,879
put the highlights of your ufo encounter

58
00:02:59,110 --> 00:02:57,599
um i i get i'm getting these emails

59
00:02:59,990 --> 00:02:59,120
still again as i mentioned a few other

60
00:03:02,630 --> 00:03:00,000
shows

61
00:03:04,790 --> 00:03:02,640
that are very very lengthy and just put

62
00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:04,800
the highlights in there and i will

63
00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:07,680
return the email um i try to return

64
00:03:12,070 --> 00:03:09,920
every single email that i get and if

65
00:03:13,430 --> 00:03:12,080
you're putting in real lengthy emails it

66
00:03:15,990 --> 00:03:13,440
makes it really tough for me to read

67
00:03:18,949 --> 00:03:16,000
through the several emails i get

68
00:03:19,910 --> 00:03:18,959
a day for this show in particular this

69
00:03:25,750 --> 00:03:19,920
week's

70
00:03:27,830 --> 00:03:25,760
is called the ufo landing at holloman

71
00:03:30,309 --> 00:03:27,840
air force base and check that out

72
00:03:32,390 --> 00:03:30,319
another very good writing by charles

73
00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:32,400
lear and over at youtube

74
00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:34,480
i have just posted a video

75
00:03:40,149 --> 00:03:37,760
um that i recorded about a year about a

76
00:03:43,350 --> 00:03:40,159
year and a half or so ago

77
00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:43,360
with uh francis uh chirimuta he was one

78
00:03:48,149 --> 00:03:45,360
of the ariel school

79
00:03:50,550 --> 00:03:48,159
witnesses and it's a seven minute clip

80
00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:50,560
it's really great he talks about his

81
00:03:55,509 --> 00:03:51,760
encounter

82
00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:55,519
uh how it changed um his life and how he

83
00:03:58,390 --> 00:03:57,120
kind of questioned his memory and

84
00:03:59,830 --> 00:03:58,400
actually went through

85
00:04:02,789 --> 00:03:59,840
uh

86
00:04:04,710 --> 00:04:02,799
hypnotism to try to you know see if

87
00:04:06,309 --> 00:04:04,720
these things really did happen and how

88
00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:06,319
we thought they happened

89
00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:09,120
and he has a very clear memory of the

90
00:04:15,670 --> 00:04:13,120
beings and a very very interesting

91
00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:15,680
uh witnessing to what happened and the

92
00:04:19,990 --> 00:04:18,000
sort of blinking in and out which

93
00:04:22,230 --> 00:04:20,000
is very fascinating to me so check that

94
00:04:24,469 --> 00:04:22,240
out that's over at our youtube channel

95
00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:24,479
so for now i still don't see our guest

96
00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:26,320
in the studio i'm not sure exactly what

97
00:04:31,270 --> 00:04:28,320
happened uh hopefully everything is all

98
00:04:32,390 --> 00:04:31,280
right but for now um he's driving

99
00:04:33,749 --> 00:04:32,400
somewhere

100
00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:33,759
in new york

101
00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:35,919
is lee spiegel lee

102
00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:37,520
uh thank you for joining me at last

103
00:04:40,469 --> 00:04:38,560
minute

104
00:04:41,510 --> 00:04:40,479
well it's it's my pleasure to always

105
00:04:43,510 --> 00:04:41,520
join you

106
00:04:45,670 --> 00:04:43,520
even if i'm driving and

107
00:04:47,350 --> 00:04:45,680
and having trailing

108
00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:47,360
multi-colored lights

109
00:04:52,070 --> 00:04:50,240
coming behind me very rapidly is it is

110
00:04:54,790 --> 00:04:52,080
it a triangle form

111
00:04:57,430 --> 00:04:54,800
like before well i can't really make out

112
00:04:58,629 --> 00:04:57,440
the shape i've always wanted to see an

113
00:05:00,629 --> 00:04:58,639
actual

114
00:05:02,230 --> 00:05:00,639
circular flying saucer with a dome on

115
00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:02,240
top yeah

116
00:05:05,909 --> 00:05:04,320
i'll take whatever i can get that's

117
00:05:08,469 --> 00:05:05,919
right that's right

118
00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:08,479
yeah um you know while we're

119
00:05:11,909 --> 00:05:10,400
and i really appreciate you filling in

120
00:05:14,950 --> 00:05:11,919
uh for now i'm not sure what's gonna

121
00:05:17,029 --> 00:05:14,960
happen with with this um but i do have

122
00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:17,039
some i asked the the uh people waiting

123
00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:18,560
in chat they waited there for a lot of

124
00:05:23,029 --> 00:05:20,880
them for over an hour and so i said hey

125
00:05:26,710 --> 00:05:23,039
can you please post some questions

126
00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:26,720
and so a few of them did and uh

127
00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:29,039
and so i they i asked them to post them

128
00:05:33,350 --> 00:05:30,160
for me

129
00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:33,360
and but still i would uh like to ask you

130
00:05:38,870 --> 00:05:35,680
this one in particular

131
00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:38,880
um because i know you did some work

132
00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:41,680
on this and it's ufos and renaissance

133
00:05:45,270 --> 00:05:43,680
paintings

134
00:05:47,590 --> 00:05:45,280
and that this person heard that it's

135
00:05:49,909 --> 00:05:47,600
symbolic of the sun and moon and what's

136
00:05:50,870 --> 00:05:49,919
your opinion of those

137
00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:50,880
well

138
00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:52,400
just in terms of

139
00:05:55,510 --> 00:05:54,400
medieval or renaissance paintings in

140
00:05:58,309 --> 00:05:55,520
general

141
00:06:01,590 --> 00:05:58,319
um i've i've always been to the uh

142
00:06:02,950 --> 00:06:01,600
the idea or the opinion that there's so

143
00:06:05,830 --> 00:06:02,960
many paintings that came out of

144
00:06:08,550 --> 00:06:05,840
different time periods

145
00:06:10,950 --> 00:06:08,560
many of these paintings depicted either

146
00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:10,960
like the virgin mary or the baby jesus

147
00:06:16,230 --> 00:06:13,360
or john the baptist and and for some

148
00:06:18,150 --> 00:06:16,240
reason many artists decided that they

149
00:06:20,790 --> 00:06:18,160
were also going to include

150
00:06:23,270 --> 00:06:20,800
something else in these paintings

151
00:06:25,510 --> 00:06:23,280
that by our standards today

152
00:06:28,469 --> 00:06:25,520
could only be interpreted as

153
00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:28,479
ufos or uaps

154
00:06:32,550 --> 00:06:30,400
and and that's always been

155
00:06:34,870 --> 00:06:32,560
a fascinating thing to me

156
00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:34,880
uh they they would they wouldn't just

157
00:06:39,270 --> 00:06:38,000
paint the sun or the moon in the sky

158
00:06:41,350 --> 00:06:39,280
above

159
00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:41,360
events that were happening they actually

160
00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:44,080
painted things that were

161
00:06:48,710 --> 00:06:45,280
primarily

162
00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:48,720
circular sometimes with a dome on it and

163
00:06:51,510 --> 00:06:49,840
emitting

164
00:06:53,510 --> 00:06:51,520
beams of light going in different

165
00:06:55,990 --> 00:06:53,520
directions like

166
00:06:58,870 --> 00:06:56,000
why why would the artist

167
00:07:01,350 --> 00:06:58,880
have included these kinds of objects

168
00:07:04,070 --> 00:07:01,360
and usually the

169
00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:04,080
the normal explanation is well it must

170
00:07:10,150 --> 00:07:06,720
be some kind of religious symbolism of

171
00:07:12,629 --> 00:07:10,160
the time really now what what possible

172
00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:12,639
religious symbolism could it be because

173
00:07:17,830 --> 00:07:14,800
in one famous painting

174
00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:17,840
which is one of my favorites uh a uh a

175
00:07:23,189 --> 00:07:21,280
ufo or something is in the sky shooting

176
00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:23,199
a beam of light down to i believe it's

177
00:07:28,469 --> 00:07:24,560
uh

178
00:07:30,309 --> 00:07:28,479
the mother mary holding a baby yes and

179
00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:30,319
to the right of the picture of the

180
00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:31,440
painting

181
00:07:35,110 --> 00:07:32,800
you can see

182
00:07:37,270 --> 00:07:35,120
in the distance a man

183
00:07:39,189 --> 00:07:37,280
and his dog

184
00:07:41,110 --> 00:07:39,199
and they're looking up at the sky

185
00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:41,120
obviously they're looking at this thing

186
00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:42,880
in the sky

187
00:07:47,589 --> 00:07:45,360
and not only is the man

188
00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:47,599
kind of excited about it but so is the

189
00:07:50,550 --> 00:07:48,960
dog

190
00:07:53,029 --> 00:07:50,560
i mean i mean

191
00:07:56,629 --> 00:07:53,039
really does that fall under the category

192
00:07:57,749 --> 00:07:56,639
of religious symbolism boy i doubt that

193
00:07:59,909 --> 00:07:57,759
martin

194
00:08:01,749 --> 00:07:59,919
yes you know i know that when i first

195
00:08:02,790 --> 00:08:01,759
started looking into this topic

196
00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:02,800
basically

197
00:08:05,830 --> 00:08:04,160
that was one of the things that really

198
00:08:07,670 --> 00:08:05,840
fascinated me and i do remember there

199
00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:07,680
was a two or three part series on

200
00:08:10,710 --> 00:08:08,720
youtube

201
00:08:13,029 --> 00:08:10,720
where there was a guy that was

202
00:08:14,710 --> 00:08:13,039
claiming he was debunking these and i

203
00:08:17,189 --> 00:08:14,720
can't remember if he said they i can't

204
00:08:20,070 --> 00:08:17,199
remember the exact symbols that he was

205
00:08:21,430 --> 00:08:20,080
saying these things uh represented but

206
00:08:23,029 --> 00:08:21,440
um

207
00:08:25,029 --> 00:08:23,039
but you know he was saying that he

208
00:08:26,950 --> 00:08:25,039
totally debunked it did you ever watch

209
00:08:28,790 --> 00:08:26,960
any of those videos

210
00:08:30,469 --> 00:08:28,800
no i i don't think i've seen those

211
00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:30,479
videos although it's possible that i've

212
00:08:36,949 --> 00:08:33,760
seen them in past thing

213
00:08:39,029 --> 00:08:36,959
when years ago when i was a writer

214
00:08:41,269 --> 00:08:39,039
for the huffington post

215
00:08:45,509 --> 00:08:41,279
i decided to do

216
00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:45,519
a story around christmas time

217
00:08:48,710 --> 00:08:46,320
and

218
00:08:49,590 --> 00:08:48,720
talking about writing about some of

219
00:08:51,110 --> 00:08:49,600
these

220
00:08:53,430 --> 00:08:51,120
actual paintings

221
00:08:54,630 --> 00:08:53,440
and i decided to interview

222
00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:54,640
someone in

223
00:08:58,710 --> 00:08:56,720
the new york um

224
00:09:01,350 --> 00:08:58,720
i believe the archdiocese

225
00:09:02,550 --> 00:09:01,360
uh he was kind of high up in the

226
00:09:05,990 --> 00:09:02,560
religious

227
00:09:08,470 --> 00:09:06,000
circle in new york city and and i wanted

228
00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:08,480
to get his sense of

229
00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:10,560
what does the church think about these

230
00:09:15,030 --> 00:09:12,000
things and

231
00:09:17,590 --> 00:09:15,040
he wasn't terribly forthcoming

232
00:09:18,790 --> 00:09:17,600
and and kept getting back to the well

233
00:09:21,910 --> 00:09:18,800
there must be

234
00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:21,920
some kind of very highly sophisticated

235
00:09:27,269 --> 00:09:23,920
uh religious symbolism

236
00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:27,279
that the painter wanted to get across

237
00:09:32,470 --> 00:09:29,680
the angels of the lord and the lord

238
00:09:35,269 --> 00:09:32,480
himself and and and

239
00:09:38,389 --> 00:09:35,279
when i kept pushing the idea

240
00:09:40,949 --> 00:09:38,399
that maybe these weren't religious

241
00:09:42,790 --> 00:09:40,959
symbolisms at all

242
00:09:44,949 --> 00:09:42,800
that maybe there was something more to

243
00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:44,959
it that has something to do with modern

244
00:09:47,269 --> 00:09:46,000
day

245
00:09:49,590 --> 00:09:47,279
ufos

246
00:09:52,150 --> 00:09:49,600
and the guy practically hung up on me

247
00:09:53,430 --> 00:09:52,160
in fact in fact when i was done with the

248
00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:53,440
interview

249
00:09:58,070 --> 00:09:55,200
and

250
00:10:00,550 --> 00:09:58,080
we we published the story

251
00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:00,560
after it came out in the huff post

252
00:10:05,750 --> 00:10:02,480
i heard from this man

253
00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:05,760
and he asked me to eliminate certain

254
00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:08,320
parts of the story that were quotes from

255
00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:10,720
him that he decided

256
00:10:13,269 --> 00:10:12,480
didn't put him in a really friendly

257
00:10:14,710 --> 00:10:13,279
light

258
00:10:16,230 --> 00:10:14,720
and i told him

259
00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:16,240
it was too late to do that he should

260
00:10:19,030 --> 00:10:17,680
have said that to me

261
00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:19,040
while we were still in the interview if

262
00:10:22,310 --> 00:10:20,640
he had some concerns

263
00:10:23,430 --> 00:10:22,320
and i didn't retract those statements

264
00:10:25,509 --> 00:10:23,440
because

265
00:10:27,509 --> 00:10:25,519
that probably wouldn't have made me look

266
00:10:30,310 --> 00:10:27,519
good to the readers

267
00:10:33,269 --> 00:10:30,320
i wanted those statements to stand as

268
00:10:35,509 --> 00:10:33,279
they were if this man if other people

269
00:10:38,710 --> 00:10:35,519
think that there's nothing to this ufo

270
00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:38,720
thing going back in time then then fine

271
00:10:43,990 --> 00:10:42,240
that's your opinion but it's my opinion

272
00:10:44,870 --> 00:10:44,000
that they're wrong

273
00:10:50,550 --> 00:10:44,880
and

274
00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:50,560
back to me

275
00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:52,320
with any kind of threats

276
00:10:57,750 --> 00:10:55,440
or lawsuits or anything like that

277
00:10:59,750 --> 00:10:57,760
and and so i felt

278
00:11:01,750 --> 00:10:59,760
in my right to do that

279
00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:01,760
all of these things my friend jacques

280
00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:04,720
raleigh astrophysicist he wrote a really

281
00:11:10,710 --> 00:11:07,760
wonderful book a few years ago called uh

282
00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:10,720
like what was it called yeah in the sky

283
00:11:14,949 --> 00:11:13,440
uh windows in the sky oh you'll hate me

284
00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:14,959
for forgetting

285
00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:18,160
the uh the title of it uh but wonders in

286
00:11:21,190 --> 00:11:19,760
the sky

287
00:11:22,949 --> 00:11:21,200
and basically

288
00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:22,959
he took

289
00:11:25,590 --> 00:11:24,160
that

290
00:11:26,870 --> 00:11:25,600
ufos

291
00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:26,880
have been around

292
00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:30,800
human humankind for a very long time

293
00:11:35,110 --> 00:11:32,640
and he wanted to

294
00:11:38,310 --> 00:11:35,120
take the idea of starting with the

295
00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:38,320
industrial revolution historically

296
00:11:43,110 --> 00:11:40,720
and moving backwards in time when there

297
00:11:46,550 --> 00:11:43,120
should not have been any kind of

298
00:11:47,829 --> 00:11:46,560
vehicles of any kind in the skies and lo

299
00:11:51,910 --> 00:11:47,839
and behold

300
00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:51,920
they found many many examples where

301
00:11:57,509 --> 00:11:54,320
not only were citizens

302
00:11:59,670 --> 00:11:57,519
seeing and reporting ufos or they

303
00:12:01,750 --> 00:11:59,680
weren't calling them ufos back in the

304
00:12:03,910 --> 00:12:01,760
days of the bible but but there were

305
00:12:07,430 --> 00:12:03,920
many many cases where

306
00:12:09,910 --> 00:12:07,440
the scientists of different periods in

307
00:12:11,509 --> 00:12:09,920
history the scientists of different

308
00:12:13,670 --> 00:12:11,519
countries

309
00:12:15,030 --> 00:12:13,680
who were considered very smart people

310
00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:15,040
they were also

311
00:12:19,990 --> 00:12:17,120
investigating these strange things in

312
00:12:22,550 --> 00:12:20,000
the skies and reporting them to the

313
00:12:25,110 --> 00:12:22,560
leaders of different countries so this

314
00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:25,120
has been going on for a long time and in

315
00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:28,240
very few cases that those scientists

316
00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:29,279
come up with

317
00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:31,200
with a reason of saying

318
00:12:35,670 --> 00:12:33,760
well it must be just religious symbolism

319
00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:35,680
this couldn't possibly be something

320
00:12:38,710 --> 00:12:37,200
that's made up of

321
00:12:40,470 --> 00:12:38,720
you know

322
00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:40,480
metal pieces and

323
00:12:43,990 --> 00:12:42,000
anything like that

324
00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:44,000
uh this has been going on a long time

325
00:12:47,990 --> 00:12:46,880
martin that the the whole idea

326
00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:48,000
of

327
00:12:53,829 --> 00:12:50,480
religious symbolism

328
00:12:54,790 --> 00:12:53,839
is i believe the kind of thing that

329
00:12:57,269 --> 00:12:54,800
uh

330
00:12:58,949 --> 00:12:57,279
really that many scientists today still

331
00:13:00,470 --> 00:12:58,959
stick with

332
00:13:01,670 --> 00:13:00,480
and it's

333
00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:01,680
it's kind of

334
00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:03,920
i think

335
00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:05,920
it's not good for the subject it's not

336
00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:07,360
good for people who've been ridiculed

337
00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:08,880
for many years

338
00:13:14,069 --> 00:13:11,920
who have reported having sightings or

339
00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:14,079
encounters with something that can't be

340
00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:17,120
explained that ridicule factor

341
00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:21,360
is almost i hope god um

342
00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:23,120
but these old paintings

343
00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:25,360
they're great and i think if any of your

344
00:13:29,030 --> 00:13:26,880
listeners martin

345
00:13:31,030 --> 00:13:29,040
really want to take a good look at them

346
00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:31,040
all you got to do is just do a simple

347
00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:32,560
google search

348
00:13:39,030 --> 00:13:35,760
for something like ufos in

349
00:13:42,230 --> 00:13:39,040
art of the renaissance or medieval ufos

350
00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:42,240
and paintings you'll find a ton of stuff

351
00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:44,800
i mean really good stuff to look at yeah

352
00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:48,000
there's a lot and and and yeah i mean

353
00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:49,920
that was one of the most fascinating

354
00:13:52,230 --> 00:13:50,880
things

355
00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:52,240
you know when i first started looking

356
00:13:56,470 --> 00:13:54,880
into this because i'm into very much

357
00:13:58,230 --> 00:13:56,480
into art and everything and i've never

358
00:14:00,389 --> 00:13:58,240
seen a painting in person

359
00:14:01,990 --> 00:14:00,399
in any place i've ever done an appraisal

360
00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:02,000
or anything like that or i've never been

361
00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:03,839
in a museum where i've seen a painting

362
00:14:08,069 --> 00:14:05,920
that hadn't had anything in the sky like

363
00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:08,079
that but when i started seeing you know

364
00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:11,120
these real paintings you know from uh

365
00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:12,959
way back then it was uh it just

366
00:14:16,629 --> 00:14:15,440
fascinated me i've got another question

367
00:14:18,949 --> 00:14:16,639
up here

368
00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:18,959
and

369
00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:20,720
uh i am commuting

370
00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:23,440
communicating with the guest and so i'm

371
00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:25,360
going to um i'm going to pose this

372
00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:27,920
question to you lee and then i i just

373
00:14:34,870 --> 00:14:29,199
have to uh

374
00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:34,880
uh uh he's not uh

375
00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:37,600
he has uh somehow even though i keep

376
00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:40,320
saying um eastern time he somehow got

377
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:42,240
the time zone mixed up so

378
00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:43,600
um

379
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:45,920
okay so i am going to

380
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:48,480
uh just pop myself out but lee here's

381
00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:50,800
the question here um do changing

382
00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:53,040
descriptions of ufos and occupants by

383
00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:54,880
decade mean it's more mental than

384
00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:57,120
physical that's the question and i'm

385
00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:58,079
going to like again i'm going to pop

386
00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:00,000
myself out here for a minute

387
00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:03,040
and uh you're on your own lee on that

388
00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:05,440
do the changes of the

389
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:07,199
descriptions be

390
00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:09,440
more mental or physical well i'm not

391
00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:10,320
sure

392
00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:11,600
yeah

393
00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:17,509
there are

394
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:18,880
different

395
00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:20,079
shapes

396
00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:22,639
of ufos through history

397
00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:23,680
uh

398
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:27,279
i would prefer to think that

399
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,639
that perhaps

400
00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:30,240
i believe that we are being visited

401
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:32,480
earth is being visited by something or

402
00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,320
someone and

403
00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:36,800
in 1968

404
00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:39,120
the united states air force

405
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:42,959
told their air force cadet academies

406
00:15:47,269 --> 00:15:45,199
uh in a chapter called unidentified

407
00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:47,279
flying objects in one of their science

408
00:15:52,629 --> 00:15:50,399
textbooks they told their cadets this

409
00:15:55,269 --> 00:15:52,639
was not published material but they

410
00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:55,279
wanted the cadets to get a good opinion

411
00:16:00,870 --> 00:15:57,040
of what the air force

412
00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:00,880
was thinking about ufos back in 1968 and

413
00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:02,959
they said to the cadets

414
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:03,839
that

415
00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:06,880
humans have been interacting with and

416
00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:09,120
encountering ufos

417
00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:11,360
for almost 50 000 years

418
00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:13,920
and and they said to the cadets and this

419
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:15,440
is almost a quote

420
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:17,519
uh we're left with the unpleasant

421
00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,839
possibility that

422
00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:21,440
some ufos

423
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:22,800
could be

424
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:26,000
intelligently controlled vehicles

425
00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:28,720
by intelligent

426
00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,000
groups

427
00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:33,120
of aliens or extraterrestrials perhaps

428
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:35,440
three or four different groups of

429
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:37,040
extraterrestrials

430
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:40,399
at different stages of development

431
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,360
wow

432
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:43,839
and and you read something like that and

433
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:45,920
you have to figure okay

434
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:46,639
if

435
00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:51,040
aliens

436
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:52,880
or extraterrestrials

437
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:54,320
from different places at different

438
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:56,079
stages of development

439
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:56,880
well

440
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:58,240
i would suspect they would have

441
00:17:01,189 --> 00:17:00,000
different kinds of vehicles

442
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,199
there you go

443
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:03,440
i mean not everybody has the same kind

444
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,720
of cars

445
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:06,079
or vehicles

446
00:17:09,909 --> 00:17:08,240
uh but imagine extraterrestrials having

447
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:09,919
different kinds

448
00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:12,720
of craft that get them from one place to

449
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:14,000
another

450
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,760
how's that for a possible answer to the

451
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:17,120
question

452
00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:18,799
that's very interesting here's here's

453
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:21,199
another like side note

454
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:22,640
to that as well

455
00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:26,319
um i wonder if it's possible that

456
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:29,039
intelligent beings that are if that's

457
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,960
what it is that's traveling here

458
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,640
wherever they're coming from

459
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,640
if they communicate

460
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:36,240
between each other hey you know you

461
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:38,000
should check out this little blue ball

462
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:39,039
over here

463
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,160
you know

464
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:42,720
that type of thing uh lee um it looks

465
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:44,960
like my guest has just come in

466
00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:48,160
all right so you fulfilled your duty and

467
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:51,600
uh now you can pay attention to the road

468
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,320
well and luckily it's not too late yeah

469
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:55,919
yes right

470
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:57,600
all right

471
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:59,039
you bet lee it's always a pleasure

472
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:00,400
always fun talking to whether we're

473
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:03,280
talking online or not but always great

474
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:05,039
right back at you thanks all right you

475
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:07,120
take care bye

476
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:09,039
all right here's my guest welcome to the

477
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:09,840
show

478
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:12,000
thank you thank you for having me yes

479
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:13,679
and sorry i guess we got a little mix up

480
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:15,039
on our time

481
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:17,039
time but we're all set now so here we

482
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:17,760
are

483
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:18,640
okay

484
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:22,640
and uh so uh you have quite a background

485
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:25,600
and uh trey hudson you like james hudson

486
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:26,880
or trey hubs

487
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:27,679
trey

488
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:29,840
just as good as anything else okay all

489
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:32,480
right well anyway thank you uh for i

490
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:34,160
know you had to scurry once you saw my

491
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,480
emails

492
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:38,720
but thank you for that and so let's hear

493
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:41,280
a little bit about your background

494
00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:43,360
oh well you know i was

495
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:45,200
hatched out of an egg you know and no no

496
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:46,240
i'm kidding

497
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:48,240
you know a traditional uh birthing

498
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:51,440
experience for both my mother and myself

499
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:52,320
uh

500
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:01,280
the wonderful tv shows that dealt with

501
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:03,840
the paranormal back in the 70s uh in

502
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:06,400
search of which was a fantastic show

503
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:09,360
uh with the late great leonard nimoy

504
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,320
project ufo which was a cbs uh

505
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:14,480
dramatization of some of the uh blue

506
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:16,240
book files

507
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:18,400
and uh you know was exposed to this

508
00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:19,760
stuff very early

509
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:21,679
and uh

510
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:24,240
you grew up uh became an eagle scout you

511
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:25,760
know did a lot of stuff a lot of

512
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:27,440
adventure stuff all over the all over

513
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,720
the country

514
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:31,200
went to school had a unique opportunity

515
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:33,440
to study uh psychology at the university

516
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:35,760
of west georgia who was had the the

517
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,559
wonderful bill roll dr william roll was

518
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:40,480
on staff there when i was there

519
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:42,400
so i got to study under uh william roll

520
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:44,720
mike aarons who was a student of abraham

521
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,600
maslow and some other folks

522
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,360
and uh

523
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:50,960
and unfortunately when i graduated

524
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,880
college i had the freight train of life

525
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:54,799
staring me you know right in the face i

526
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:56,480
was uh commissioned as a us army

527
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:58,160
intelligence officer

528
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:59,440
and uh

529
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,280
sent to the us army reserve spent six

530
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:02,880
months at the u.s army intelligence

531
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,960
center in school and popped out at the

532
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,640
end of that process as an all-source

533
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,480
intelligence officer

534
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,640
uh got injured early in my military

535
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:12,480
career i'm a disabled veteran went to go

536
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:14,159
work for the department of defense as a

537
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,760
security specialist and i've been doing

538
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:17,120
that for

539
00:20:20,159 --> 00:20:24,630
had an opportunity in 2007

540
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,190
right back up 2008 to join a local

541
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:29,679
paranormal group so i joined the oxford

542
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:33,039
paranormal society as a investigator

543
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:34,640
and the uh the founders of that

544
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:36,559
organization decided to back away from

545
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,799
paranormal investigation they

546
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,400
had pretty much had enough of it and

547
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:42,000
were you know a little you know wanting

548
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:43,679
to go elsewhere in their life

549
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:45,760
and uh they handed me this organization

550
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,600
you know this taps affiliated uh

551
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:49,200
paranormal group

552
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,080
so that being the case uh i took over

553
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,320
and uh it led to this uh this amazing

554
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,320
discovery which resulted in the uh the

555
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:58,240
book i wrote

556
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,440
i i kind of heard i i listened to a a

557
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,919
really nice podcast that's someone did

558
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:06,000
with you and i can't remember the name

559
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:06,799
of it

560
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:09,440
but it was it was really well done and

561
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,120
uh the it seems to me that you did this

562
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,440
like this geo searching

563
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,760
uh like hide-and-seek

564
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,919
thing so can you explain how that that

565
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:21,760
is fascinating and and

566
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:22,720
yeah

567
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:27,919
uh a game an online game where you post

568
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,640
g uh geographical coordinates

569
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,480
and people will search for small

570
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,480
treasure boxes

571
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:36,960
and uh so i was uh had set up one of

572
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,640
these geocaches in a local uh not local

573
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,159
to me but a

574
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,960
nature preserve and i started noticing

575
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,159
people's comments and one of the

576
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,799
comments that a uh a searcher said is

577
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,960
they had encountered locals

578
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,880
that described to them a haunted road

579
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,480
you know near where this geocache was

580
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,240
and it was like you don't go down that

581
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:58,080
haunted road them paints will get you

582
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,440
you know

583
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,520
and uh you don't ever be found there

584
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,679
after sunset you're sure to die well you

585
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,520
know of course that's like waving a red

586
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:07,120
flag in front of me hell yeah that's

587
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,950
and so i uh started you know trying to

588
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,480
get a team together to research this

589
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,120
haunted road and just you know as the

590
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,080
way life is sometimes you stumble across

591
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,559
things that you never expected to find

592
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,880
and one of the uh the unique things that

593
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,480
we found that had nothing to do with the

594
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,960
haunted road was the meadow you know was

595
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,080
the location that we've been

596
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,760
investigating and researching since

597
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,280
2016.

598
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,960
and it was just one of those uh you know

599
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,960
unique serendipitous kind of things that

600
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,559
fall into your lap

601
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,799
that just turns out to be uh truly

602
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:43,280
remarkable and life-changing

603
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:44,080
and

604
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,200
um so

605
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,120
i understand something happening during

606
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,520
camping back at the camp you were out

607
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,679
looking around or whatever and can you

608
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,679
can you give those details oh yeah

609
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,240
absolutely while we were researching the

610
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,919
haunted road

611
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,760
uh one of my team members who was

612
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,919
minding camp uh had had drank a lot of

613
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,760
coffee that cold february night it was

614
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,600
quite drizzly and rainy and

615
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,600
as happens with guys when they drink too

616
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:08,960
much coffee when they're camping that

617
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,200
coffee has to eventually go somewhere

618
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,440
so he had stepped behind the uh the

619
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,840
campsite to take care of this pressing a

620
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,159
biological piece of business

621
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:20,480
and and once he got done he's looking up

622
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,360
in the sky and he sees the moon come out

623
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:25,200
and as i said earlier it was a cold

624
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,559
drizzly rainy this really icky night

625
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,880
and uh right before the moon came out he

626
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,640
saw a shaft of lightning a bolt of

627
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,240
lightning which strangely enough had no

628
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:37,120
sound very odd but he was more focused

629
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:38,480
on the moon because he thought maybe

630
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,840
this clouds are clearing off and it was

631
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,240
going to be a much much nicer you know

632
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,080
enjoyable evening and then the moon

633
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,400
started moving sideways

634
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,840
in this area the moon doesn't move

635
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,159
sideways usually it uh east to west like

636
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,159
it does everywhere else so moving from

637
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,960
uh his right side to his left side

638
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,880
was quite remarkable and while he's

639
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,039
watching that the moon or this what now

640
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,440
turned out to be a luminous orb stopped

641
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,240
in a small pinpoint of darkness appeared

642
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,919
in the middle and it grew larger and

643
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,240
larger and larger until it completely

644
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:11,039
blotted out this uh you know this orb

645
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,320
and uh

646
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,240
it turned out to be a remarkable uap

647
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,559
sighting you know truly remarkable

648
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,400
and so it's like well forget that

649
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,840
haunted road business i'm not going to

650
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,440
waste my time with that anymore i think

651
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,520
i found somewhere really cool

652
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,880
and about a

653
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:26,880
about a quarter of a mile from our

654
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,840
campsite was a field and we decided to

655
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,520
start focusing our investigative and

656
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,159
research on this field primarily

657
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,240
because it's a wide open space anything

658
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,240
that moves across it we can see the

659
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,159
tracks of it like uh cryptid this area

660
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,799
has a history of cryptance and bigfoot

661
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,640
we can set up our teams at night with

662
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,240
night vision and thermal anything moves

663
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,320
across once again we can see

664
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,240
and also it has a broad expanse of open

665
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,320
sky so we can also watch the sky so that

666
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,919
this meadow or this field became the

667
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,919
focus of our research and that's where

668
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,279
some of the truly remarkable things

669
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,880
happened

670
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:00,720
and we'll go through some of those uh

671
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,679
remarkable things as we go along but uh

672
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:04,559
this

673
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,000
part of your book

674
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,799
uh discusses you know all the odd places

675
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:12,640
there are in the country and also

676
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,760
overseas as well um like for instance we

677
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,440
can always uh more people know about

678
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,360
skinwalker ranch from of course it was

679
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,360
on the history channels

680
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:24,640
two seasons on that so far and

681
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,520
uh so the skinwalker ranch

682
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,760
all these strange things happen and you

683
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,840
know i do get a lot of listeners but

684
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:33,919
just real quickly if you could just for

685
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,159
the new listener uh that may have not

686
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,720
heard of skinwalker ranch i know you've

687
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,640
you've looked into all these places and

688
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,600
uh in a nutshell if you can give the

689
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,600
the listener what goes on in that place

690
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,200
i've read the book too that was a great

691
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,200
book that george snapping i forget who

692
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,039
the other person did together uh

693
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,679
skinwalker ranch is a uh a ranch in the

694
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,760
yuenta valley uh in utah outside of

695
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,360
vernal utah

696
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,840
and it has a history going back many

697
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,679
many years all the way back to uh the

698
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,679
youth tribe of being a place that was

699
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,240
cursed or uh you know

700
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,559
or or forbidden you know something you

701
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,320
know went on there which ties back into

702
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:12,400
their skin walker mythology you know in

703
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,520
folklore

704
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:15,840
that uh evil uh skin walkers which were

705
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,880
evil shaman you know worked in that area

706
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,120
and if you fast forward back to the 90s

707
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,039
a family that had bought the ranch

708
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:25,120
started noticing uh just a whole

709
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,320
plethora

710
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:29,279
of a very strange and unusual

711
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,880
circumstances ufos cryptids uh what

712
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,799
appeared to be portals

713
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,640
boxes flying through the air you know

714
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,520
strange box-shaped ufos

715
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,840
uh and just this whole plethora of

716
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,440
things that really don't fit into the

717
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,360
you know the the cryptid or bigfoot box

718
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,880
they don't really fit into the

719
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,039
paranormal or ghost box

720
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,880
and they also don't fit into the uh the

721
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,120
traditional ufo research box was kind of

722
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,440
all of these strange phenomena going on

723
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,600
and what was really interesting is i was

724
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,919
at a conference in

725
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,279
nevada

726
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,360
in june and if you remember in the

727
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,120
beginning of george knapp's book he

728
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,240
talks about a ranch in colorado that had

729
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:09,840
very similar

730
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:13,200
uh instances going on yeah if i have it

731
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,559
here i was actually lucky enough

732
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,640
to uh

733
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,360
to find somebody that uh personally

734
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,840
knows dr leo sprinkle when he was alive

735
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,039
and actually had some of these

736
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,799
experiences of the ranch and i got the

737
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:28,399
report

738
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,960
you know

739
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,360
for that ranch and the other person that

740
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,760
uh it gave me this uh sought me out and

741
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,360
she said

742
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,919
everything that you talk about in your

743
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,960
book

744
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,559
is similar to the stuff that happened at

745
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:46,320
our ranch in colorado so we've got you

746
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,919
know the ranch in colorado we've got the

747
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:50,000
skinwalker ranch and now we have the

748
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,039
meadow

749
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,679
and one of the really unique things

750
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,080
is boxes or cubes

751
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,159
are very prevalent in these sites

752
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,320
something about you know the geometrical

753
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,640
shape of a box or a cube so are you

754
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:05,039
talking about like ufo craft or whatever

755
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:06,080
it is

756
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:07,279
in that shape

757
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:08,480
yes and no

758
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,760
uh in our in our situation it was a a

759
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,200
portal

760
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,600
that thermally showed up as a box or a

761
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:16,559
cube

762
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,880
at this ranch in utah they had boxes

763
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,799
that would sit on the ground and blink

764
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:24,960
and make noise

765
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:28,320
uh they had in in colorado a incidence

766
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,679
of a

767
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,399
a person reported that a a sasquatch or

768
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,480
cryptid touched the box and was

769
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,399
paralyzed they witnessed that

770
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,399
and then you go to a skinwalker ranch

771
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,640
where they had boxes flying around with

772
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,159
blinking lights they call them flying

773
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:44,399
refrigerators if you turn the page and

774
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:47,840
go to some of the ufo response in brazil

775
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:49,039
they had something they called the

776
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,559
chupachupas

777
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,640
which were flying boxes that would emit

778
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,240
rays that would paralyze and

779
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,919
incapacitate people

780
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,600
so it's just uh it's really neat i'm

781
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,840
starting to see a lot of commonalities

782
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,080
uh in these sites and uh actually

783
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:03,919
tomorrow evening i have a zoom meeting

784
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,399
with with other folks in this field and

785
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,000
we're gonna start comparing notes and

786
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,760
see if we can start coming up with uh

787
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,679
certain indicators

788
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,760
that could possibly point that further

789
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:16,000
in more unique sites that have yet to be

790
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,600
discovered

791
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,760
that is so fascinating i i have a friend

792
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:20,640
who

793
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,919
was at a university in massachusetts and

794
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,039
he and

795
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:27,039
some people with him all witnessed a box

796
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,159
shape

797
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,480
uh craft with blinking lights yeah well

798
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,240
there you go exactly

799
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,080
uh and i don't know if you watched the

800
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,880
uh the skinwalker ranch tv show at all i

801
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,559
have a little bit yeah there was

802
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:41,520
actually a instance and i i can't

803
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,039
remember exactly when but they there was

804
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,120
an instance where they witnessed

805
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,080
a gold rectangular box

806
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,240
you know no i did not see that one once

807
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,200
again here's this box yeah

808
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,720
and and um

809
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,159
this is something that comes up every

810
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,480
now and then is the aerodynamics i don't

811
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:00,559
think whatever it is

812
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,880
that is traveling needs any aerodynamic

813
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,200
at all because first of all when these

814
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,279
things take off at supersonic speed

815
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:11,279
there's never a sound barrier broken

816
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,640
um or anything like that and um you know

817
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,640
another thing is there are some people

818
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:17,840
that have seen

819
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:20,840
like triangles and other

820
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,440
crafts whatever they are in that shape

821
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,520
but on their side and traveling just

822
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,440
fine right you know

823
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,760
and if you go to the uh the dod report

824
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,120
that just came out

825
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,120
uh the the tic tac and some other things

826
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,960
were moving in non-ballistic patterns

827
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,279
you know ways you know right angles at

828
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,440
extreme speeds you know things that a

829
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:42,159
normal aircraft so our understanding of

830
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,440
three-dimensional euclidean aerodynamics

831
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,880
and aeronautical engineering just

832
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,399
doesn't apply to these things you know

833
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,480
it just it's that that thinking's right

834
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:51,919
off the table for them

835
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,039
yeah yeah that's crazy uh and

836
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,960
i guess the question i i know we're

837
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:58,399
going to get into more details and all

838
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,200
that

839
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,080
but it's always fascinating to me and

840
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,919
has been since i very first started

841
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:06,000
looking into this topic

842
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,840
and that's why our

843
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,760
why are there hot spots and what does

844
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,080
that mean you know as this you mentioned

845
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,399
the word portal you know is that what it

846
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,559
is you know is it and these these are of

847
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:18,799
course i'm asking you to speculate oh

848
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:21,840
sure um are these things where

849
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,399
uh possibly there's a three another

850
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,720
dimension portal or you know because of

851
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,480
the blinking in and out you hear about

852
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,640
and all this stuff i mean

853
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,240
what's your guess i guess that's what

854
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:34,720
that's that is a great and legitimate

855
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,600
question i think it's dimensional uh

856
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,480
for several reasons uh one reason i

857
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,640
think it is is because in our

858
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,559
experiences with the portal or cubes

859
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,840
that we

860
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:47,760
we actually were able to dispatch a team

861
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,880
into it you know into this cube

862
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:53,200
and they disappeared

863
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,039
what yeah they uh they they disappeared

864
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,880
and we're watching them on flear on

865
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,360
thermal and their heat signatures just

866
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,840
completely vanish and so we had an

867
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,760
after-action review or an aar that

868
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:07,039
evening

869
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,880
and i asked the team members i said you

870
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,320
know what was your experience what was

871
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,399
the experiential nature of your trip

872
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,000
into this you know the remnants of this

873
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:16,320
boxer cube and they said when they went

874
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,279
in there

875
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,519
they didn't encounter any uh

876
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,880
encumbrances you know there were no

877
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,279
brambles there were no brush bushes

878
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,679
briars branches

879
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,440
you know they just walked into where

880
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,960
this thing was

881
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,799
and they said it was very dark you know

882
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,559
almost like stepping inside of a velvet

883
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:35,039
bag you know just pitch black and the

884
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,559
temperature had dropped which is

885
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:38,080
interesting because we picked up the

886
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,919
outline of it on our flea on our

887
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,600
thermals you know we didn't actually see

888
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,600
it with our naked eye we saw the

889
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,919
the thermal images thermal indicators of

890
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,559
it

891
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,880
when they came back out

892
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,200
they did encounter branches and

893
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,640
briars and

894
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,240
brambles and all that weren't there when

895
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,960
they went in so something about that

896
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,039
that geographical location that they

897
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,840
occupied for that period of time had

898
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,240
shifted somehow it shifted

899
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,960
out of our reality just a little bit

900
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,799
just enough to where it was a little bit

901
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,720
colder a little bit darker and didn't

902
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,919
have these uh

903
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,919
these encumbrances going in

904
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:15,919
so that makes me think at least in our

905
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,990
and perhaps walker ranch colorado ranch

906
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:23,519
another that we're actually talking

907
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:25,600
interdimensional

908
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:26,559
uh

909
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:27,360
or

910
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,519
multiverse kind of things that they are

911
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,080
portal doorways wormholes whatever you

912
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,000
want to call it that exists between

913
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:37,760
realities and whatever that other

914
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:40,399
reality is is probably beyond our

915
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,559
ability to conceive it

916
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,480
and so one thing our team has been doing

917
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,320
is looking for uh

918
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,039
indicators or telltale signs uh spikes

919
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,880
and radiation uh

920
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,799
spikes and electromagnetic fields uh

921
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,399
decreases in temperature things like

922
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,640
that and what we're seeing is there's a

923
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,880
temperature indicator or a change in

924
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,080
temperature

925
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,240
and there's tiny radiation spikes is

926
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,840
what we've seen which is also

927
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,360
interesting because they've seen some

928
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,519
tiny radiation spikes also

929
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,000
out in the mental valley here at

930
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,000
skinwalker ranch

931
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,839
all right so let's talk about so this

932
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,399
team goes into

933
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,240
perhaps a portal or whatever it is they

934
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,240
went now you're detecting through

935
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:23,119
infrared this cube shape

936
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:26,720
uh possibly portal they go into it

937
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,599
they experience that there's no brush or

938
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,800
anything

939
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,599
uh

940
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,919
no encumbrances maybe a temperature

941
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,919
change or something like that but what

942
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,079
else i mean first of all what was their

943
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,679
state of mind like

944
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,000
when they went in and and

945
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,159
when they disappeared

946
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,119
uh did things around them disappear and

947
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,200
how did they get back

948
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:51,200
just working out yeah good point they

949
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,720
just walked in and walked out it was

950
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,720
like i said it was very dark

951
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:56,960
uh so from their perspective they just

952
00:35:03,030 --> 00:34:59,680
walked into an area that appeared to be

953
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:03,040
dark just very dark uh and a little

954
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,000
colder

955
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,400
didn't you know nothing very

956
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,640
you know strange or spooky

957
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:09,839
and then they turned around and walked

958
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,960
out

959
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,359
now on our flea we see them walk up to a

960
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,520
almost a line of demarcation

961
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:17,440
they drop off of our flea equipment no

962
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,040
heat signature and then we see them

963
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,880
coming back out of it

964
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,800
so uh you know from their perspective it

965
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,680
was

966
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,400
you know not too terribly remarkable

967
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,480
but you combine it with the uh the the

968
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,040
footage that we had on our flear it was

969
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:33,599
uh as far as i know the only known film

970
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,560
footage

971
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,320
of this kind of phenomena that i'm aware

972
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,680
of

973
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,920
and is this this film footage exists

974
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,880
somewhere

975
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,520
you have this yes absolutely

976
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,599
wow and are you sharing it

977
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:48,720
uh it has been uh i

978
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,920
have shared it at a few conferences

979
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,839
and i've got some contractual

980
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,680
obligations where i'm not

981
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,520
really able to share it why wide

982
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,839
widespread to the public quite yet

983
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,599
but uh yeah i mean the people that have

984
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,000
seen it uh for example jimmy church has

985
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:06,079
seen it and he was uh you know just

986
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,359
wowed by it

987
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,880
uh some other folks have seen it i can

988
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,560
send you a link to it

989
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,200
uh here soon i won't share it i

990
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:15,200
understand what you're talking about

991
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:16,480
and

992
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,680
it's uh just really unique so uh you

993
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,440
know my background like i said primarily

994
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:23,359
is a paranormal investigator that's kind

995
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,480
of uh

996
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,520
you know that's kind of where i earned

997
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,599
my spurs if you will and i've since

998
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:29,280
become a mufon field investigator

999
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,640
another thing but yeah i kind of look at

1000
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:32,400
things that paranormal

1001
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,280
optic

1002
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,800
so we decided we were going to do

1003
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,119
something called the estes protocol

1004
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,280
there in the meadow

1005
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:42,000
and uh that's where you take a ghost box

1006
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,440
and i'm sure you and your audience have

1007
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,839
seen those on television you know

1008
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,599
you know throughout the years

1009
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:49,359
except we take the person and we

1010
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,800
blindfold them

1011
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,720
and we put earmuffs on them and the

1012
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,440
ghost box audio comes into their ear

1013
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,599
muffs and they can't hear anything going

1014
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,760
on outside so they're blindfolded they

1015
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,359
have no relationship to the their

1016
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,680
outside stimuli at all and you ask

1017
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,359
questions and their instructions are

1018
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,880
whatever

1019
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,560
intelligible word they hear come through

1020
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,079
the ghost box they repeat it so if they

1021
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,680
hear rutabaga

1022
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,359
as silly as that sounds they just repeat

1023
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:14,960
rutabaga

1024
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,240
and uh we did that in the meadow and we

1025
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,960
were able to engage what we feel like

1026
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:23,359
was a a two-way conversation with an

1027
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:24,480
entity

1028
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,560
became quite agitated

1029
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,320
when we started really drilling down to

1030
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,160
the phenomenology of the portals you

1031
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,359
know electromagnetic magnetism radiation

1032
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,119
microgravities things like that and i

1033
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,440
can send you the link to that also

1034
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,680
for that video

1035
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,240
wow very very interesting and i

1036
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:46,400
understand because

1037
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,359
of what we know happened to skinwalker

1038
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,560
ranch

1039
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,800
once a location like this

1040
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,560
is identified

1041
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,400
that they had to have security there

1042
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,240
full time because people from all over

1043
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,800
the country and other parts of the world

1044
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,280
are trying to get into skinwalker ranch

1045
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,839
for themselves constantly so i also

1046
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:07,599
understand that you're not disclosing

1047
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,640
this

1048
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,720
location for that very purpose and to

1049
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,880
keep things more on the pure side of

1050
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:14,480
your over your work

1051
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,000
but i have a a a question for you when

1052
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,119
you're getting all this amazing

1053
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,119
information and what i

1054
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,119
sounds like evidence to me

1055
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,480
um

1056
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,359
what about science scientists what about

1057
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,520
contacting them and saying hey look you

1058
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,680
know you want to really study something

1059
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,599
very very unusual

1060
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:38,160
come study this and uh i know it's it's

1061
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,680
awful hard

1062
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,720
to get

1063
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,480
scientists involved in anything unless

1064
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,960
there's funding and and all that but i

1065
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,960
mean this is this is something

1066
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,520
remarkable sounding to me yeah and that

1067
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,440
that's a good question and and

1068
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,280
you did hit on it funding you know

1069
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,520
they're a scientist especially you know

1070
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,720
one that

1071
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,640
you know receives various grants to do

1072
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,480
research you know they they live on

1073
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:02,480
grants i mean that's right that's how

1074
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,680
they're paid

1075
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,079
and uh we're self-funded you know we

1076
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:08,240
receive no grants or you know funding

1077
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,680
from any outside source and we don't

1078
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:11,440
have a you know benefactor like robert

1079
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,480
bigelow

1080
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,320
you know giving us a blank check hey

1081
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,320
robert if you're hearing i'll give you

1082
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:18,880
my address to send a blank check

1083
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,680
i'll send you my my paypal uh data

1084
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:23,280
but uh

1085
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,720
yeah yeah so it's a little difficult now

1086
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,200
we did have a physicist on our team and

1087
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,000
unfortunately he passed away last year

1088
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,560
but he was our hard science guy

1089
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,160
and uh he and i were working on

1090
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,000
developing some experiments that had to

1091
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,920
do with uh

1092
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,160
microgravities and time trying to come

1093
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:41,920
up with ways that we could develop field

1094
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:44,640
deployable uh experiments where we could

1095
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:45,680
measure

1096
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,079
microgravities and small shifts in time

1097
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:52,800
have you ever thought of contacting the

1098
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,320
scientific coalition for uip studies scu

1099
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,800
i'm a member of scu oh my goodness well

1100
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:01,200
there goes that so uh that's exactly

1101
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,880
what i was going to uh

1102
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,720
i was going to talk to you about it that

1103
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,400
sounds like a really good

1104
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,960
a place for you to be and uh

1105
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:11,440
for this to be taken serious and there's

1106
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,119
some really good people involved in that

1107
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,880
group yeah yeah

1108
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,400
yeah that's great i'm glad to hear that

1109
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,920
very glad to hear that there was a

1110
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:20,240
question in chat i thought was uh pretty

1111
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,760
decent oh yes when they get inside that

1112
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,440
whatever it was that could have been a

1113
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:27,040
portal or whatever it was and they shine

1114
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,960
their flashlights around

1115
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,640
um did they see anything this is from

1116
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,640
richard thank you richard c yeah well

1117
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,400
richard what it was is when they got in

1118
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,160
there and we were you know running

1119
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,359
headlamps uh in night vision

1120
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,920
is it was just really dark and i know

1121
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:42,960
you

1122
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,480
like being inside of a black velvet bag

1123
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,119
it was just very very dark

1124
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,480
and uh

1125
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:58,079
i'm going to use the word oppressive but

1126
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,359
i don't mean that in a negative way it

1127
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,599
was just a very heavy feeling

1128
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,040
but you know that was one thing that

1129
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,200
they remarked as just how dark it was

1130
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,119
you know it was almost like a velvet

1131
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,680
curtain had been dropped around them

1132
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,680
and it was just you know just absolutely

1133
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:13,280
pitch black

1134
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:16,240
i wonder you know uh

1135
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,920
i wonder if it's possible that these

1136
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,680
people that went in there were somehow

1137
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,920
observed on another side or another

1138
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,200
dimension

1139
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,119
that's that's uh that's always been kind

1140
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,440
of the weird you know question is you

1141
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:31,119
know do you have some other group in

1142
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,640
another dimension setting up their

1143
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,160
equipment and saying oh my goodness

1144
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,920
these entities just you know pop out of

1145
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,680
nowhere you know they're getting all

1146
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,280
geeked out and you know now they're on a

1147
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,640
radio show and they're to mention you

1148
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,240
know it's talking about

1149
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:44,160
you know these these geeky creatures

1150
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,280
that you know popped out of their

1151
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,440
dimension and wandered around and

1152
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,079
and and vanished again yeah right you

1153
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,800
know i had um i had a ufo

1154
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:55,359
encounter but i also had

1155
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,880
uh before that i had a very weird and i

1156
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,960
was i've always been reluctant to call

1157
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,400
it a ghost

1158
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:05,200
but i had just plain unexplainable

1159
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,480
things happen in a house

1160
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,200
and i've always thought

1161
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,440
you know is it another could it have

1162
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,200
been something from another dimension or

1163
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,200
something like that you know it just it

1164
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:19,119
doesn't make any

1165
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,640
any sense you know it was more like a

1166
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,400
poltergeist thing so like a door

1167
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,520
slamming and

1168
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,079
uh that was impossible for it to happen

1169
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,480
and you know things like that well yeah

1170
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,200
oh sorry no no it's just it always makes

1171
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,720
me wonder if

1172
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:33,920
these things

1173
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,560
you know maybe that would

1174
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,400
clear up a lot of questions about when

1175
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,839
people are saying they're seeing ghosts

1176
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,960
i don't know

1177
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:42,880
well yeah that's an excellent point

1178
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,920
because uh you know researchers of the

1179
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,720
uh

1180
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,400
the paranormal and i use that as a very

1181
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,800
broader paranormal outside of normal be

1182
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,680
it cryptids ufos ghost or whatever

1183
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,720
they they have a tendency like we all do

1184
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,319
as human beings look at things to our

1185
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,720
particular optics uh one of the things

1186
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,040
that we also have on film are

1187
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,000
heat signatures entities uh about six

1188
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,480
foot tall 24 inches wide

1189
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,480
they would shrink they would get larger

1190
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,319
they would split turn into two entities

1191
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,560
go back into one it was kind of

1192
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:15,760
kind of weird

1193
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,119
but uh so we're filming this so if i'm a

1194
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,440
ufologist and i'm looking at that i'm

1195
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,400
like well well those are ets you know

1196
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,240
that's or a ghost researcher would look

1197
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,160
at that well yeah those are ghosts

1198
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,920
uh encrypted research would say well

1199
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:31,599
that must be the heat signature of a

1200
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,720
cryptid

1201
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,640
well how about just saying i don't know

1202
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,960
what the heck it was it was very cool

1203
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,640
and very neat and i'm glad we captured

1204
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,119
it on film and let's just live in the

1205
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,520
experience and accept the data for what

1206
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,280
it is and try to be very careful about

1207
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,359
labeling it so i always wonder you know

1208
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,440
people that have ghost experiences and i

1209
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:52,079
have had things move around my house

1210
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,359
since i started researching this

1211
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:55,440
facility or this area

1212
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,480
uh

1213
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,160
maybe they're all facets of the same

1214
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:00,560
diamond you know maybe they're all

1215
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:05,200
you know different tracks on the same lp

1216
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:06,800
very well could be yeah it's it's

1217
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,160
fascinating and you know i mean

1218
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,560
and it's also

1219
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:15,359
to ponder uh you know the show is

1220
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,400
basically based on ufos but to ponder

1221
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,440
that

1222
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,839
you know perhaps some of these these

1223
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,920
things in our airspace

1224
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,560
are from another dimension possibly and

1225
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,640
maybe perhaps some of them are other

1226
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,040
intelligence from other planets you know

1227
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:33,920
i mean it's right it's it's uh

1228
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,240
you know it could be a multiple like i i

1229
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,560
think that's what uh jacques valet

1230
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,160
uh claims he thinks it is like a

1231
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,800
multiple of things well jacques valet uh

1232
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,240
brad steiger

1233
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,119
uh john keel you know john keel use the

1234
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,079
term ultra-terrestrials

1235
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,839
i've kind of you know gone one step

1236
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:54,079
further i call them pair of dimensionals

1237
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,119
you know they're outside of our

1238
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,440
dimension they're para dimensionals

1239
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,200
and i think they're all you know we're

1240
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,040
all looking at you know the like the

1241
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:03,040
blind men describing elephant one guy

1242
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,319
holds a trunk and says you know it's

1243
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,400
elephants like a snake the other one has

1244
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:08,160
a leg and say you know it's like a tree

1245
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:09,280
trunk and the

1246
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,640
other one has the tail and says you know

1247
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,720
it's bristly like a broom they're all

1248
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,800
describing an element elephant albeit

1249
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,400
from different perspectives

1250
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,000
huh how about that that's that's really

1251
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,480
a good way to put it um

1252
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,119
so uh this question here and i believe

1253
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,920
you did say yes uh you have seen the

1254
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:27,680
question is uh from for sure have you

1255
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,880
seen any weird creatures in the meadow

1256
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,720
yeah absolutely my teammates no i'm

1257
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:33,839
kidding uh

1258
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:34,640
yeah

1259
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:40,319
i know i mean we've seen uh we've seen

1260
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,599
uh

1261
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,960
entities and that's that's what's what

1262
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,079
i'm gonna call them because i don't know

1263
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,480
what they were they were heat signatures

1264
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,000
that seem to be watching us

1265
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:53,520
we have a flea footage of a large

1266
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:59,109
creature of some sort which strangely

1267
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,480
enough was colder than its surroundings

1268
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,560
we had a

1269
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,200
white humanoid

1270
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:09,520
uh bigfoot if you will type creature

1271
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,560
watching our campsite one evening

1272
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,640
we have reports of shadow figures

1273
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,920
running across

1274
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,280
roadways

1275
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,839
several instances of that so absolutely

1276
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:22,000
we've seen all kinds of weird creatures

1277
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:23,280
and entities

1278
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,480
and this area

1279
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,119
is just it has a really rich folklore

1280
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,560
you know going back you know years and

1281
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,000
years and years of these kind of

1282
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:31,440
phenomena

1283
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,400
now

1284
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:35,200
is uh is do you have like a sort of a

1285
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,640
square mile

1286
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:38,319
area of where these things are happening

1287
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,280
have you

1288
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,599
decided

1289
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,040
i don't know what that noise was that

1290
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,599
was my somebody trying to call me

1291
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,000
okay like i have you mapped out like you

1292
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,240
said the meadow the field but i mean is

1293
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,400
there things happening without within

1294
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,920
the outside area of this oh yeah

1295
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,640
absolutely the meadow is probably

1296
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,640
four acres

1297
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,440
and so we've even explored you know

1298
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,200
several miles from there

1299
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,680
and have had remarkable bizarre

1300
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,839
experiences happen there there's a lake

1301
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,319
about three miles from there uh that

1302
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,000
when i started really digging down into

1303
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,119
the bfro uh files for cryptids and the

1304
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,240
mufon files for ufos i started finding

1305
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:20,800
phenomena reported at this lake and we

1306
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,480
videotaped ufos you know at this lake so

1307
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,520
it is a very uh the region is very

1308
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:30,160
strange very weird and about the first

1309
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,240
25 of my book

1310
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:34,960
i take it from a macro to a micro i look

1311
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:37,680
at the the broad multi-state area

1312
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,000
and i bring it into the region then i

1313
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,160
bring it into the counties and i bring

1314
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,920
it into this nature preserve and then i

1315
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,160
drill right down to the meadow so yeah

1316
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,240
there's a plenty of weirdness for

1317
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,359
everybody in this region and it's also a

1318
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,119
kind of a tragic area you know you've

1319
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,119
had murders and

1320
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,720
bodies found

1321
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,040
and uh when i started really researching

1322
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,960
it this is only about 50 miles from one

1323
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:02,880
about david palladi's missing person

1324
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:05,599
clusters which is kind of odd too

1325
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,960
right wow how populated is that area and

1326
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,760
like

1327
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:12,079
from the meadow where is the nearest

1328
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,440
like home

1329
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,280
oh it's uh it's in a huge nature

1330
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,800
preserve you know i mean it's it's

1331
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:17,920
massive

1332
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:21,280
so there's not a home within probably 15

1333
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,319
miles

1334
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,960
i see yeah thank goodness

1335
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:26,079
yeah

1336
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:30,480
so is

1337
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,480
when you say you're in the scu uh are

1338
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,880
are you in your team

1339
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:38,880
are there people outside your team that

1340
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:42,160
you're inviting to come study absolutely

1341
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,839
absolutely uh

1342
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:45,760
we invite uh

1343
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,280
uh various researchers i had a phd from

1344
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,119
uh mufon

1345
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,680
um that invited to come research with us

1346
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,359
i had uh and i don't know if you're

1347
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,440
familiar with uh matthew delft with uh

1348
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:58,720
mountain

1349
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,800
crypt's research out of virginia he was

1350
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,040
a guest researcher

1351
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,359
and we do have people come down and

1352
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,119
research with us

1353
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,680
it's not my site it's not my story it's

1354
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,280
the world story and the only thing that

1355
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,680
i ask is

1356
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,240
people sign a nda non-disclosure

1357
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,960
agreement and the only thing that i

1358
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,160
restrict

1359
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,640
is the exact location

1360
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,880
you know is do not give the location

1361
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:27,520
away because like you alluded to earlier

1362
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,040
with the skinwalker ranch is it got so

1363
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:33,440
bad they had to hire uh on-site security

1364
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:37,200
24 7. and that would absolutely ruin any

1365
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,720
future research that we would hope to

1366
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,640
have at this site

1367
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,119
that's right i totally get that

1368
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,040
i did since you mentioned mufon a couple

1369
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:46,720
of times and that you're a field

1370
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,839
investigator i wanted to announce that

1371
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,760
on november

1372
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,000
i think it's november 5th

1373
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:56,000
myself and a friend are

1374
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:57,599
going out to phoenix

1375
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,270
i'm not really sure what happened

1376
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,280
uh i live in a rural area it's probably

1377
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:09,920
my stinky internet okay all right well

1378
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,559
we're back uh but uh so i'll start again

1379
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:13,920
november 5th

1380
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,920
uh through the 8th um my friend and i

1381
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,680
are going to

1382
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:20,800
phoenix and we're going to be in the

1383
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:24,079
mufon boot camp investigators boot camp

1384
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,599
and i'm actually going to be filming and

1385
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:27,599
we're going to actually do

1386
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,640
a show from there i think it's uh

1387
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:32,400
tuesday the

1388
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,480
november we're going to be we're going

1389
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,640
to be doing a show

1390
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,040
uh wright uh from phoenix with the

1391
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,359
phoenix mufon joined by matthew roberts

1392
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,760
who lives there as well a past guest uh

1393
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,920
that had an incredible story he's gonna

1394
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,640
be joining us there as well so uh yeah

1395
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:52,319
that'll be next month that'll be very

1396
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,520
interesting a lot of fun i'm really

1397
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,520
looking forward to that

1398
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:57,280
and uh

1399
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,480
so in this area where these things

1400
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,920
happen

1401
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:04,160
um would you say that

1402
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:08,240
there's also like the old fashioned ufos

1403
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:11,920
besides the bach box shaped ones like

1404
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,319
you know discs or triangles or anything

1405
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,720
are those things also cited there yeah

1406
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:19,200
yeah there's uh there are historical

1407
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:20,839
sightings of

1408
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,640
a almost like a

1409
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,960
in this area of a a craft made up of

1410
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,440
like various prisms you know like a like

1411
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:32,400
a crystalline kind of crap craft

1412
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:35,839
uh there was uh various uh sightings of

1413
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:38,079
you know anomalous lights you know

1414
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:41,440
uh you know like a category one sighting

1415
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,480
uh there are quite a few sightings which

1416
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:47,040
is very odd of flashes and lights in the

1417
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,240
forest

1418
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:50,079
huh which which i've you know witnessed

1419
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,200
myself uh imagine

1420
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:55,119
somebody setting off a strobe light you

1421
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,559
know deep in the forest and how it would

1422
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,079
just illuminate you know the forest you

1423
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,000
might not see the source of the strobe

1424
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,240
but you would see the illumination i've

1425
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:04,400
personally seen that myself

1426
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,359
uh

1427
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,079
seeing lights in the trees you know orbs

1428
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,000
now a ghost person would say those are

1429
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,760
orbs you know or spirit lights a

1430
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,760
ufologist would say those are you know

1431
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,200
ufos

1432
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,040
uh a person who's a focal artist would

1433
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,960
say those are the fey or perhaps fairy

1434
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,240
so you know i think we're looking at the

1435
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,640
same phenomenon so yeah this area

1436
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,319
has a rich history and uh you know

1437
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,800
pretty much all of that kind of stuff

1438
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:28,880
was there ever that you're aware of was

1439
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,359
there ever any native uh american

1440
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,520
population there yes absolutely

1441
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,440
absolutely and

1442
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:37,440
and is there any sign of that or is

1443
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,760
there any folklore or anything uh yeah

1444
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,760
there's some folklore a lot of it was

1445
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:43,920
lost they were unfortunately this area

1446
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,480
is in america's southland and a lot of

1447
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,640
the native american population first

1448
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,720
nations population was forcibly uh

1449
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,880
removed right during the trail of tears

1450
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,800
so right unfortunately a lot of that

1451
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,440
folklore went with them and ended up out

1452
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,599
west so you have to kind of crosswalk

1453
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:01,280
the folklore back but there are some

1454
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,400
really

1455
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,480
interesting uh folkloric

1456
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:05,920
uh

1457
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,880
things in this area they talk about the

1458
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,520
the stone coat giants which were giants

1459
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:14,880
that were impervious to arrows

1460
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:18,400
much akin to sasquatch uh they there's a

1461
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,280
a particularly nasty uh witch type

1462
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:23,119
figure folk lord figure called

1463
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:24,559
spearfinger

1464
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,440
who would eat the liver of travelers and

1465
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:29,200
kidnap children

1466
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:32,559
and and compare her to the skinwalker

1467
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,440
uh

1468
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:36,640
shamans of of the out west so you're you

1469
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,079
see a lot of similarities in the

1470
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:40,480
folklore also

1471
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,760
and

1472
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,720
all right

1473
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:44,960
if if it's not if we're not go if you

1474
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,760
don't go down the

1475
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,800
theory

1476
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,359
path that these things are

1477
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:53,920
i mean these areas are portals

1478
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:54,960
um

1479
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,440
then it kind of makes you wonder why

1480
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,079
there is such a thing as hot spots

1481
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,079
uh where things happen

1482
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:04,000
yeah good question i actually sat down

1483
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,040
and had a really interesting

1484
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,200
conversation with uh the res

1485
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,520
researcher james keenan

1486
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,119
and he and i were talking about

1487
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,359
pictographs native american pictographs

1488
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,960
that uh

1489
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,079
have uh

1490
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:19,359
elements that look like portals or uh

1491
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,800
gateways

1492
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,720
and you start seeing these things all

1493
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:25,520
throughout uh you know the united states

1494
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:28,640
and other places the this particular uh

1495
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,359
ideogram you know of a portal what makes

1496
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,000
it interesting is there is a universal

1497
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:36,559
symbol that's the worldwide and you

1498
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,520
might have heard of it called the

1499
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:39,839
galactic keyhole which is a keyhole

1500
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,880
shaped

1501
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,359
uh you know type symbol

1502
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,319
that is been found in uh

1503
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:49,040
in the middle east and various places

1504
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,400
that usually corresponds with a sighting

1505
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,400
or somewhere that has the folklore or

1506
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:57,359
history of being a portal between worlds

1507
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,589
went out to the meadow and there was a

1508
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,760
particular very tight geographical

1509
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,119
location i'm talking like maybe 10

1510
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,880
square meters but we've had a lot of

1511
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,599
weird stuff happen and lo and behold on

1512
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,319
a small island in a creek

1513
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,880
there was a 12-foot sapling

1514
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,880
that had the top of the sapling bent

1515
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,119
over and secured in an oval almost like

1516
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:23,520
the top of an ankh or egyptian cross

1517
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:27,040
which is another symbol for a portal

1518
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,839
and

1519
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:29,359
we could not figure out how that

1520
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,720
particular

1521
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,240
anomaly

1522
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,000
was done to that sapling you couldn't

1523
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,760
climb up it the sapling was only about

1524
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:37,280
two inches in diameter it was in the

1525
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,720
middle of a creek you couldn't put a

1526
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:41,359
ladder up to it so somehow this uh

1527
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:42,640
strange

1528
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,520
symbol appeared right at a place

1529
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:47,200
where we've had many strange things and

1530
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:48,400
i personally

1531
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,520
had an extreme case of disorientation

1532
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:53,040
to the point where i'm almost might have

1533
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,559
been lost you know it was i might have

1534
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,079
ended up as one of david palladi's

1535
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:58,640
chapters i got so disoriented

1536
00:56:03,190 --> 00:55:59,760
so uh

1537
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:03,200
yeah symbols uh portals uh

1538
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:04,400
you know

1539
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:06,799
they're all over the place and

1540
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,760
who knows where the next one will be

1541
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,640
right right or or maybe they change from

1542
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:13,680
one

1543
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:16,960
locale to another you

1544
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:19,599
uh this uh this question i think is kind

1545
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,520
of a legitimate one is that your someone

1546
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,359
trying to ring in on your phone there

1547
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:25,280
yeah i'm getting like tons of messages

1548
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:26,799
i'll throw it back there

1549
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,599
okay

1550
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,520
uh so mary grace kirby long time

1551
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,520
listener she missed the first part she

1552
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,440
wanted to know where the meadow is i'd

1553
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:35,440
never even ask you the general location

1554
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:36,400
because i know you don't want to give

1555
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,359
the pinpoint

1556
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:39,839
i'll give you the precise location of it

1557
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,920
everybody prepare to take notes

1558
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:43,440
it

1559
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,480
mason-dixon line

1560
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,319
[Laughter]

1561
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:51,200
okay yeah all right i know that's it

1562
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:52,559
yeah i know i

1563
00:57:03,990 --> 00:56:53,440
i

1564
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,000
southland

1565
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:06,079
uh-huh wow

1566
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,680
well uh

1567
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:09,760
and i i i do get

1568
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,839
uh i do get why you're not saying the

1569
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,160
exact location i'm not sure why you're

1570
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,160
afraid to say the state but

1571
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,440
um

1572
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:18,799
to me that wouldn't seem like that would

1573
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,520
really be giving much away but i but i

1574
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,000
i'm gonna of course honor that

1575
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,319
and uh not try to try to squeeze it out

1576
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:28,960
of you but you yourself have you

1577
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:31,680
actually camped there overnight

1578
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:35,520
that's a good question we camped within

1579
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,319
about a quarter of a mile of it and our

1580
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:41,119
last outing which was in uh july

1581
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,799
we had planned on camping there

1582
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,480
overnight actually putting a team in

1583
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,319
there with their equipment

1584
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:48,559
and unfortunately the weather was so

1585
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,319
nasty

1586
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,079
and we were not able to put a team in

1587
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,240
the field but that is on our uh is on

1588
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:55,920
our agenda to actually put a team out

1589
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:58,240
there overnight uh you know we've had

1590
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,440
some folks experience some pretty

1591
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:01,920
strange medical stuff

1592
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,720
so there's a you know a bit of uh

1593
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,559
concern about that but we think we have

1594
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,400
the protocols in place

1595
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,160
that would make it reasonably safe for

1596
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,440
our team that's out there camping

1597
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,839
right and i mean how about i don't know

1598
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,000
what the road situation is there but can

1599
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:20,319
you get a motor home in there safely oh

1600
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,640
no no no no no

1601
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,720
yeah we actually literally all of our

1602
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:27,040
equipment and gear we have to hike and

1603
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:28,640
pack it in about a quarter of a mile to

1604
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:31,760
this site oh oh i see okay

1605
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,720
it would be if you did have funding

1606
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,720
like to say all of a sudden

1607
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,559
uh bigelow happened to be listening to

1608
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,640
this podcast which is probably about a

1609
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:42,960
two percent chance maybe but just say he

1610
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:46,000
was or someone pass it along to him and

1611
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,359
he said hey you know i'm really

1612
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:50,079
interested in what you're doing i'll be

1613
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,680
glad to fund you

1614
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,160
uh but you're going to have to get

1615
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:56,559
you know some type of uh unit in their

1616
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,440
house you know uh like trailer unit in

1617
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,760
there or something i mean

1618
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,520
anything is possible if you throw enough

1619
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,680
money at it you know something could be

1620
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:07,359
brought in with a helicopter and drop

1621
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:08,160
down

1622
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,280
or whatever but you would need

1623
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,960
permissions right i mean do you need

1624
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,119
permissions because this is a public

1625
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:15,680
land public land yeah so that's where it

1626
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,880
gets really tricky if you're yeah

1627
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,880
and we can't do any destructive testing

1628
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,079
that's you know that's we have to be

1629
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,680
really careful and very respectful of

1630
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:25,119
that you know we have to be good

1631
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:27,839
stewards of this unique area

1632
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:30,400
and so our research has to be uh

1633
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,280
non-invasive non-destructive

1634
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,440
and we have to also understand you know

1635
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:37,760
albeit we're probably not going to run

1636
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,920
into anybody else out there but it's

1637
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:41,520
public land it's you know it doesn't

1638
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:43,359
belong to us so we have to be respectful

1639
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:44,640
of that

1640
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,079
right yeah i could see where that could

1641
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:48,319
get really tricky

1642
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:50,000
um and

1643
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,470
there there's there's no pressure

1644
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,839
on you for

1645
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,240
releasing your videos or anything like

1646
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,400
that i mean there's you haven't heard

1647
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,400
from any branch of the government as far

1648
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,559
as what are you doing out on this land

1649
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,960
uh or anything like that i mean

1650
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:11,200
no i work for the government

1651
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,000
okay

1652
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,079
yeah i know i've asked myself that so i

1653
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,960
guess no i've no no i'm kidding i mean i

1654
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,960
do work for the government but uh

1655
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:21,119
you know no not really not really which

1656
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:22,799
is really uh i'm probably the only

1657
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,680
government guy can that does not say my

1658
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,760
job has had anything to do with ufos

1659
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,280
absolutely nothing at all

1660
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:31,040
you know not even remotely related to

1661
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,040
that kind of stuff all of this stuff has

1662
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:35,119
been done uh on my own diamond on my own

1663
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,920
time

1664
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,920
i haven't had anybody too terribly

1665
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,599
interested in it which is uh kind of

1666
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,280
interesting because uh

1667
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,520
you know nids was partially funded by

1668
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,920
you know dia and other agencies

1669
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:47,440
right

1670
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:49,119
so you know who knows

1671
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:50,400
uh

1672
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,760
you know what the future will bring but

1673
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,359
nobody's expressed you know any real

1674
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,960
interest yet

1675
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,119
let's talk about some of the because i

1676
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,520
know you've really looked into this

1677
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,000
some of the other hot spots in this

1678
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,160
country to start with besides you

1679
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,160
mentioned colorado you mentioned

1680
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,880
skinwalker ranch um there are others

1681
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,799
though is that right yeah yeah mesa

1682
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,119
verde is one in colorado

1683
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:14,960
uh there are some experiments done that

1684
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:17,920
shows a uh

1685
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:21,680
a slight uh shift in time

1686
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:23,920
and i think and i i need to contact the

1687
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,359
scientist that was doing the experiment

1688
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:27,680
i think it was involving a doppler shift

1689
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,240
of lasers but there was a slight

1690
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:32,319
difference of time and one point to

1691
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:34,720
another time ran differently

1692
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:38,000
that's strange yeah that was weird uh

1693
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:39,920
you have uh

1694
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,680
you know the the haunted forest in japan

1695
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:43,520
that has a lot of rich folklore you have

1696
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:45,440
the uh and i'm going to butcher this

1697
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:48,880
hai ubaku forest in romania

1698
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,559
uh and i actually had a chance to talk

1699
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:52,880
to someone that went there and she was

1700
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:53,920
telling me about some of their

1701
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:56,960
experiences and it has a lot of the same

1702
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:59,440
you know weird strange type of phenomena

1703
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:00,400
too

1704
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,069
are known you know i think if you follow

1705
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:07,839
the folklore you'll you'll start to find

1706
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,839
them you know if the knowledge hasn't

1707
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:11,920
been lost throughout the ages

1708
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,240
and so i think uh the cool thing is yeah

1709
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,000
i'm just an average guy i'm nobody

1710
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,079
special i don't have any kind of

1711
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,000
you know tremendous insight i just i'm

1712
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:22,400
inquisitive and i like to research

1713
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:24,880
and you know if i can do the research

1714
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:27,039
and follow the folklore and find one of

1715
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,799
these areas myself

1716
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:32,400
what's to keep your listeners from doing

1717
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,760
it for themselves

1718
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:34,799
you know

1719
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:39,039
phenomena is more prevalent than we

1720
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:40,319
realize

1721
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:41,839
and these adventures are just out there

1722
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,280
for the taking

1723
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:45,839
that's right in in my area you know i'm

1724
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,480
currently down in massachusetts but also

1725
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,280
um live in maine but in this area

1726
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,160
uh here we have the bridgewater triangle

1727
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,640
oh yeah very familiar with it

1728
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,480
yeah a lot of things

1729
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:00,960
happen there but it's not

1730
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:03,440
but the only places i've heard of this

1731
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:04,640
sort of

1732
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,440
possible portal phenomenon are

1733
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:09,680
only what you're talking about right

1734
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,400
today what you've witnessed and your

1735
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,240
team has witnessed and also the

1736
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:16,240
skinwalker ranch i can't really think of

1737
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:17,760
any other place are you familiar with

1738
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,240
any other places that claim there may be

1739
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,480
some type of portal situation uh i've

1740
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:24,960
heard talk of some in sedona

1741
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,440
ah that's another place where

1742
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,200
yeah a lot of stuff goes on a lot of

1743
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,440
stuff goes on there uh

1744
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,799
you know there's a running joke you know

1745
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,559
the so don't one of the many sedona

1746
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,480
portals is between the car dealership

1747
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:38,240
and the starbucks you know

1748
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:39,599
you know

1749
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:42,720
sedona has a rich history of that so i

1750
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,559
think there are

1751
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:47,039
you know many of them out there

1752
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:48,480
and

1753
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,359
i think people just uh

1754
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,960
you know will stumble across them you

1755
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,480
know or if they really start looking at

1756
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:56,720
some of the uh you know the folklore you

1757
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:58,640
know they'll find themselves i was uh

1758
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:59,520
and i

1759
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:01,359
i cannot remember it off the top of my

1760
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:04,880
my mind is there was a a place that's a

1761
01:04:10,829 --> 01:04:07,920
a forest near a uh subdivision

1762
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:10,839
where people have experienced

1763
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:13,119
strange you know things so if you start

1764
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:14,559
really digging in and every time

1765
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:15,680
somebody

1766
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:16,880
you know reports they were walking

1767
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,839
through the forest and they were

1768
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:19,200
daydreaming and they don't remember how

1769
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,400
they got to the end of the trail you

1770
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,400
know were they daydreaming or do they

1771
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,839
have missing time because they passed

1772
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:25,440
through one of these portals so i think

1773
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:26,799
it actually might be a bit more common

1774
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:29,200
than we think

1775
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:32,480
well that's interesting um we have this

1776
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:34,079
question up here

1777
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:36,319
um from jay allen he just wanted to know

1778
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:39,359
if you ever had any experiences

1779
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:41,039
during your uf

1780
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:42,960
us air force time

1781
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:45,119
like some of us have in other words uh

1782
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:47,520
he must have had some type of experience

1783
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,880
don't call me an air force guy i'm an

1784
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:50,799
army guy no i'm kidding

1785
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:53,200
yeah i am an army oh no no actually you

1786
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:54,880
know my my my

1787
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:57,599
official you know official life

1788
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,240
no no it's been remote mostly i'm a

1789
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,559
paper pusher an administrator

1790
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:04,960
uh so you know all my really cool stuff

1791
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,280
has happened to extracurricular

1792
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:09,039
that's a great question though

1793
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,319
yeah yeah

1794
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,079
and uh

1795
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,640
i i don't think i've ever asked you or

1796
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,280
did you mention how you kept this

1797
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:19,520
interest in particular

1798
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,119
to start researching

1799
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:23,280
yeah yeah we uh uh like i said i was

1800
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:25,200
exposed to it you know as a young young

1801
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:26,720
guy back in the 70s watching these

1802
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,720
various tv shows

1803
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,920
and uh

1804
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:32,079
i just uh you know one of the really

1805
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:33,280
cool things

1806
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:34,720
that happened when i was younger is my

1807
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:36,559
dad who traveled

1808
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:37,680
all over the country doing our

1809
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:39,760
construction projects

1810
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:41,440
was listening to a late night radio show

1811
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:42,799
and there was a gentleman talking about

1812
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:44,559
his new book and the gentleman was named

1813
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,000
brad steiger

1814
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:48,720
yeah and brad was talking about his new

1815
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,480
book the gods of aquarius

1816
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:52,480
and it intrigued my father so he bought

1817
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:53,920
the book you know back then there was no

1818
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:56,160
amazon so he went to the bookstore and

1819
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:57,680
ordered it and it finally came in and he

1820
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:59,039
read it

1821
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,880
and uh you know just being the weird

1822
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,880
little maladaptive sponge that i was as

1823
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:05,039
a youth i i read the book

1824
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:06,640
and uh you know some of the stuff that

1825
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:09,680
mr steiger talked about in there was the

1826
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:11,920
the multifaceted aspect of anomalous

1827
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:13,280
phenomena and he talked about you know

1828
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,799
ufos and the the uh the tall whites you

1829
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,400
know he didn't use that term but the

1830
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:20,400
nordics and he talked about uh

1831
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:21,599
you know uh

1832
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:23,920
sasquatches and ufos and you know

1833
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:25,839
angelic apparitions and marion

1834
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:27,599
apparitions and all of this but he

1835
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:29,839
looked at them all through the same lens

1836
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,280
so i thought you know that's really kind

1837
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:32,880
of cool you know that he's looking at

1838
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:35,359
these various phenomena as maybe part of

1839
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:37,119
a greater hole you know a gestalt where

1840
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,119
the the hole is greater than the sum of

1841
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:41,200
its parts so that you know that kind of

1842
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,760
uh kind of primed the pump if you will

1843
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:44,960
for my interest in this kind of

1844
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:48,480
phenomena right uh brad was a very nice

1845
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:51,200
man i got the chance to interview him

1846
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:53,839
um about a year before he passed away

1847
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,960
and uh uh what a what an amazing guy he

1848
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,799
was how many books i forget i can't

1849
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,400
remember how he told me it was

1850
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,319
ridiculous like hundreds or something

1851
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,400
yeah yeah it's quite amazing we're going

1852
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:06,240
to go into a break and i'm going to

1853
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,359
share my friends uh my friend's

1854
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,280
song that he sent to me i think he sent

1855
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,200
it to me yesterday but i had had

1856
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:16,319
listened to it prior but uh anyway uh

1857
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:19,280
this is about roswell and my friend's

1858
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:22,000
name is mark stanley we'll be right back

1859
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:53,670
[Music]

1860
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:57,200
when the sun came up that day

1861
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:00,400
pieces of some machine

1862
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:12,430
and out of the sky

1863
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,789
[Music]

1864
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:21,750
out of the sky it fell

1865
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,110
[Music]

1866
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:28,239
and in the desert wind

1867
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:31,759
as if it had never been

1868
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:34,799
carried off somewhere

1869
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:40,709
left behind

1870
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,319
for anyone to find

1871
01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:47,120
not a single trace

1872
01:09:02,080 --> 01:08:50,260
left from this time and place

1873
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:03,590
[Music]

1874
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:15,639
and the secrets that they keep

1875
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:18,319
[Music]

1876
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:25,630
it was 60

1877
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:37,280
still there's so much

1878
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:46,470
[Music]

1879
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:48,930
out of the

1880
01:09:58,580 --> 01:09:56,630
but don't ever tell

1881
01:10:06,709 --> 01:09:58,590
out of the sky

1882
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:09,520
is

1883
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,030
that's a great song by mark stanley uh

1884
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:55,840
so i'm back and i'm with my guest trey

1885
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:02,149
uh let's see we got you i got your mute

1886
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,960
my your my commuter sorry about that so

1887
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,560
uh one of the things

1888
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:08,880
you know i was thinking about was uh the

1889
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:11,280
rendelsham forest i mean so

1890
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:12,800
you know we we talk

1891
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:15,760
about the rendelshin force incident

1892
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,080
but we don't talk about the other things

1893
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:20,800
uh for instance uh there's still stuff

1894
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:23,679
going on today from accounts of people i

1895
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:25,920
i have someone i communicate with in

1896
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,840
australia they're friends with someone

1897
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:29,360
in that area and they're saying there's

1898
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,520
crazy stuff going on there

1899
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:34,320
even now we're talking cryptids

1900
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:37,840
we're talking ufos and

1901
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:40,159
bizarre stuff and speaking of that you

1902
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:41,360
mentioned you

1903
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,760
were an eagle scout so was uh colonel

1904
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,600
charles hull um

1905
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:47,840
you know and and that that really kind

1906
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:48,640
of

1907
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,600
to me

1908
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:51,280
uh a lot of people don't really

1909
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:53,760
understand what an eagle scout is but

1910
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,120
it's you it's a major thing and you have

1911
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:59,120
to be so dedicated you have to live and

1912
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:00,000
breathe

1913
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,360
and it's disciplinary to the max and i

1914
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:05,600
think that kind of sets you up for the

1915
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,600
rest of your life and what you do right

1916
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:11,760
as far as you know yeah you know you've

1917
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,360
got to be

1918
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:15,760
go ahead sorry oh sorry yeah yeah it's

1919
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,679
uh you know it's a discipline thing it's

1920
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,920
a focus attention to detail that kind of

1921
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:21,120
thing uh

1922
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:23,120
so that's you know not only is the way

1923
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,280
up the way i look at things uh

1924
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,960
you know research-wise professionally

1925
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,800
you know i'm in a type of job where it's

1926
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,480
very detail-oriented

1927
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,719
and uh when you go and you read uh you

1928
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:34,800
read the book i've had some people say

1929
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,239
well you know reads like a government

1930
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,080
report well yeah i'm a government guy

1931
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,320
that's how i write i'm sorry but it's

1932
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:42,159
you know it's very matter of fact

1933
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,760
and i you know i don't want you to

1934
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,520
the reader

1935
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,520
to be bullied into any kind of

1936
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:51,679
perception you just read what happened

1937
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:54,960
and make up your own mind you know

1938
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,390
for what it is the officer being an

1939
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,400
intelligence guy all of that just kind

1940
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,560
of you know set the stage for me to be

1941
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:09,120
able to capture uh and articulate and

1942
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:11,199
eventually report some of these amazing

1943
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:12,480
happenings

1944
01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:15,600
now speaking of your government job has

1945
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,360
this

1946
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:18,640
extracurricular activity of yours ever

1947
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:19,760
affected

1948
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,000
uh what you do

1949
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:24,960
absolutely not uh actually

1950
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,630
just say other agencies that's all i'm

1951
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,320
gonna say is i work with other agencies

1952
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,159
and i was talking with an agent from one

1953
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:36,320
of those other agencies and

1954
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:38,000
he's like oh wow that's fascinating so

1955
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,199
he bought a copy of the book to be

1956
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:41,679
autographed so uh yeah no it's uh just

1957
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:43,120
other than people thinking it's kind of

1958
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,560
interesting and cool

1959
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,880
and it hasn't impacted my job at all you

1960
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:48,239
know i still have my clearance and all

1961
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:51,120
of that so it's all it's all good yeah

1962
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:53,120
yeah and you know

1963
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:54,719
i guess

1964
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,960
this would probably kind of be a fitting

1965
01:14:02,470 --> 01:13:59,280
question how do you feel

1966
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,480
how the government has handled

1967
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:04,239
the ufo topic

1968
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:05,760
that's a good question that's a fair

1969
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:08,000
question uh

1970
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:09,440
is

1971
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:10,400
you know

1972
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,480
part of my training has been how do you

1973
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,640
handle maintain

1974
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:16,000
and disseminate

1975
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:17,840
classified or secured information you

1976
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,950
have to be kept secret one thing that a

1977
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,840
lot of people are under the

1978
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:27,520
misconception

1979
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,120
that the government can't keep a secret

1980
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,199
the government can keep a secret for a

1981
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:33,360
very very long time you know they've got

1982
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:34,880
professional people and that's all they

1983
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,360
do is maintain these secrets

1984
01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:39,840
uh i think that

1985
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,040
for whatever reason the the

1986
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:44,400
scientific worlds act world has taken

1987
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:47,280
the whole idea of uaps and has pushed

1988
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:49,600
them over the side in general there are

1989
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:50,719
some very

1990
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:53,679
specific uh agencies and groups that

1991
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:54,960
looked into some of the more fringe

1992
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,760
stuff

1993
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:57,040
one of the things that comes to mind is

1994
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,800
the us army intelligence and security

1995
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:01,600
command back in the 80s uh funding

1996
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,960
remote viewing research through the

1997
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,560
stanford research institute so you know

1998
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:06,320
there are some elements in the

1999
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:07,760
government that are kind of you know

2000
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:10,960
kind of digging this kind of weirdness

2001
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:13,040
but i think for the most part

2002
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,800
your hard scientists especially in the

2003
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,560
areas of aeronautical engineering

2004
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,800
aeronautical research push uaps over to

2005
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,880
the side

2006
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:22,239
so turn the page

2007
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:24,640
it has become so

2008
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,560
obvious

2009
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,640
especially in this this information age

2010
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,560
of the 21st century that this this type

2011
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,800
of information cannot be

2012
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:34,880
uh pooh-poohed anymore you know look at

2013
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,040
the uh the the gimbal in the go fast

2014
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:39,600
videos you know those are some of the

2015
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,640
most advanced airframes

2016
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:44,880
in the sky you know f-18 hornets

2017
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:47,760
you have naval aviators who themselves

2018
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:51,120
are aeronautical engineers

2019
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,719
these airframes are equipped with some

2020
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:54,560
of the most sophisticated

2021
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:57,120
targeting acquisition and detection

2022
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:58,159
equipment

2023
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:00,400
you know be it flir radar or whatever

2024
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,000
and so here we have the absolute best

2025
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:06,880
publicly released uh video

2026
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:08,960
and evidence of uaps

2027
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,719
and i just think it's developed enough

2028
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,480
inertia over the years that they can't

2029
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,320
deny it anymore

2030
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,320
and uh you know people are demanding are

2031
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:18,719
these things a

2032
01:16:23,189 --> 01:16:21,600
you know from a near pier you know be a

2033
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:23,199
china russia and whomever are they

2034
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:24,719
terrestrial

2035
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:28,239
are they you know we don't know what

2036
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,840
they are you know are they dangerous you

2037
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:31,679
know can we defend against them

2038
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:33,280
and so i think we're starting to see a

2039
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:35,920
very slow drip drip drip of disclosure

2040
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,480
which i think is a very positive thing

2041
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:40,320
and for whatever reason the people that

2042
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:42,320
hold this information are metering it

2043
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,520
out

2044
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:44,880
very

2045
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:49,270
people that are read into some of these

2046
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:52,159
areas they sign very very tight binding

2047
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:54,080
non-disclosure agreements

2048
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:56,239
so some of the people that are coming

2049
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:57,360
out of that world and i'm not going to

2050
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:59,280
name names that are now discussing this

2051
01:17:01,669 --> 01:17:00,480
stuff

2052
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:01,679
i've got to think that they've been

2053
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,239
given authorization to discuss it you

2054
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,080
know to to start

2055
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:08,159
you know needling out little bits of

2056
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:09,360
information

2057
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:12,320
uh so i think it's a great time to be

2058
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,880
alive in the area of ufo research uh

2059
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,159
quite frankly i never thought i'd see it

2060
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:18,640
in my lifetime you know yeah

2061
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:19,440
so

2062
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:21,360
i think it's kind of cool kind of groovy

2063
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,080
yeah i mean for this to happen

2064
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:26,000
while i'm doing this show

2065
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:28,400
has been really uh quite amazing to see

2066
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:30,719
the change you know in the last three

2067
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:32,800
three or four years and

2068
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:36,400
uh and i've also that being said uh you

2069
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:39,760
know the audience has grown quite a bit

2070
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:42,960
and uh and which is really nice and

2071
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,719
what's really nice is there's a lot of

2072
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,400
new people looking

2073
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:49,199
into that and because of that

2074
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:52,480
um it will i think it's will kind of get

2075
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:54,640
into a snowball effect

2076
01:18:03,110 --> 01:17:56,480
of uh you know

2077
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:03,990
and

2078
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:05,600
right yeah you mentioned uh rich hoffman

2079
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,080
you know and scu you're very serious

2080
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,640
people you're very serious doing

2081
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,800
absolute yeoman's work you know on some

2082
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:14,080
of these incidents

2083
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:16,159
and you know people are starting to take

2084
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,760
this very serious now and it's not uh

2085
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,600
you know it's not the fringe anymore you

2086
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:23,040
know it's not

2087
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:25,199
uh you know and i'm not i'm not

2088
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:27,199
demeaning anybody but it's not the

2089
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:28,960
person saying i was beamed up to zeta

2090
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:30,239
reticuli

2091
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:31,760
and you know and was taken aboard the

2092
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:33,920
galactic federation mothership you know

2093
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:35,840
and and then these people give their

2094
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,360
story and they're you know they're

2095
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:40,080
pooh-poohed and ridiculed you know uh it

2096
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:42,000
we're past that now we're

2097
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:43,440
we're actually starting to look at this

2098
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:44,239
stuff

2099
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:45,920
very seriously and people that have

2100
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:48,880
these amazing experiences and encounters

2101
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,679
are uh are really being looked at in a

2102
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:53,120
more

2103
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:56,320
respectful thank god you know way and

2104
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:58,000
those of us that have been researching

2105
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,080
this stuff are are taken a bit more

2106
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:02,480
serious now you know where uh a real

2107
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,320
bellwether for me personally is there

2108
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,080
was a gentleman who was an engineer and

2109
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:08,480
a scientist that i have a lot of respect

2110
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,560
at work worked in another department

2111
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:12,320
and he came over over to my office one

2112
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:13,600
day and he said trey would you would you

2113
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:15,679
mind stepping outside

2114
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:17,120
i want to talk to something you know

2115
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:20,000
talk talk about you with something

2116
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:21,600
and we stepped outside and went to a

2117
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:23,360
gazebo adjacent to my building where i

2118
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,239
work

2119
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:26,400
and he said talk to me about this ufo

2120
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,360
stuff

2121
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,280
he goes you know i'm a scientist and i

2122
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:31,040
don't know what to think about it what's

2123
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:32,800
your perception

2124
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:34,719
and uh so you know he and i talked about

2125
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:36,080
it and i laid out kind of like what i

2126
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,199
did you know with

2127
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,800
you know the go fast the gimbal you know

2128
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:40,640
the tic tac videos and you know what

2129
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:42,640
they meant and i said

2130
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:45,199
only a fool

2131
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:47,840
would deny that we have

2132
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:52,560
some sort of craft you know traveling at

2133
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,840
incredible speeds moving in

2134
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:55,679
non-ballistic ways

2135
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:58,159
that probably are beyond the abilities

2136
01:20:02,550 --> 01:19:59,679
of our near pier

2137
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,560
and it near piers china russia countries

2138
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:05,280
like that and if they were it's it's not

2139
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,040
really conceivable that they would leap

2140
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:09,440
so far of us in technology

2141
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:11,840
that we wouldn't be prepared to at least

2142
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:13,920
recognize it when we saw it so i said

2143
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:15,679
you an intelligent person such as

2144
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:17,760
yourself has to accept this there's

2145
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:19,199
really no other

2146
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,960
you know there's no other answer

2147
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,800
and so for me that was a real bellwether

2148
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:24,719
you know a scientist an engineer that i

2149
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:25,840
respected

2150
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:28,080
actually you know stepping back

2151
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:30,880
uh taking a a bold tiptoe outside of his

2152
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,199
comfort zone out of his box and saying

2153
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:35,040
you know maybe there is something to

2154
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:36,480
this

2155
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:38,080
right and

2156
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,480
you know good good for him

2157
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,199
and it's also the thing you know i bring

2158
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:45,600
up quite often too is you know whoops

2159
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:48,400
that went up by accident is that

2160
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:51,840
when we talk about those three videos

2161
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,000
we can focus just on that but you can

2162
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,239
also tell that same person

2163
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:58,800
people have been experienced

2164
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:01,360
experiencing craft doing this and these

2165
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:04,320
incredible maneuvers and speeds you know

2166
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:05,120
for

2167
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:08,960
50 60 70 years right it's not new

2168
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:11,360
no no it's not uh the cool thing is this

2169
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:12,639
is

2170
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:15,360
uh you know extraordinary claims require

2171
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:17,199
extraordinary evidence you know this is

2172
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,800
the extraordinary evidence you know this

2173
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:20,880
is this is undisputable which just

2174
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:22,400
really makes it cool yeah this stuff has

2175
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:24,080
been you know reported for

2176
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:25,280
generations

2177
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:28,960
absolutely yeah yeah and you know i just

2178
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:31,760
i just hope that uh when they when the

2179
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:34,400
investigations start again you know the

2180
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,920
government that they will

2181
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:36,960
at least

2182
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:39,920
hear some of the earlier cases

2183
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,480
uh you know before 2004 there because i

2184
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,480
i guess that is the claim that they're

2185
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:46,800
only going to investigate 2004 and

2186
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:47,840
forward

2187
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,360
you know maybe maybe there's enough of

2188
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:51,280
them to investigate and and all that but

2189
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:53,199
they're saying that it's because of the

2190
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:56,400
technology is better

2191
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:57,760
so

2192
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,520
i don't know if you heard that part yeah

2193
01:22:02,310 --> 01:22:01,040
i think they would be doing themselves

2194
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:02,320
they would be doing themselves a great

2195
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:03,920
disservice if they didn't at least take

2196
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,639
a peek at some of the older cases

2197
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:08,719
right right

2198
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,760
and speaking of older you know you

2199
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:13,199
mentioned we talked a little bit about

2200
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:14,880
the native american

2201
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:18,239
uh possib possibilities of of

2202
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,960
like hot spots or that one in particular

2203
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:22,400
the meadow

2204
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:23,520
um

2205
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:24,480
are you

2206
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,840
aware

2207
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:29,760
of i know this is kind of a bizarre

2208
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,239
thing to ask but are you aware of any

2209
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:34,080
places that used to be hot spots that

2210
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,229
um

2211
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:42,639
that's a good question uh

2212
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:43,760
not

2213
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:47,679
these areas are uh

2214
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,520
they ebb and flow at least in my

2215
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:51,120
experiences sometimes they're really

2216
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,560
super active

2217
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:54,960
and then other times they're not uh one

2218
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:56,320
of the things if you go back and read

2219
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:57,360
some of the

2220
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:00,159
the the information you can get uh out

2221
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:01,600
there in the public with the ned's

2222
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:03,040
research is

2223
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:04,480
you know when they started bringing all

2224
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:06,880
of this technology and hard science

2225
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:08,080
stuff to it

2226
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:10,159
the phenomena dried up

2227
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:11,280
uh

2228
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:14,000
and we've discovered if we push too hard

2229
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,719
on this particular site it'll dry up

2230
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:18,239
isn't that something

2231
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:20,639
and we've also noticed that when we

2232
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:23,840
think we've got it nailed down

2233
01:23:28,149 --> 01:23:26,560
it'll surprise us like

2234
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:28,159
uh some of the the most recent

2235
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:30,719
experiences we had were

2236
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,760
uh

2237
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,760
vehicles locking and unlocking

2238
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,679
themselves at our base camp

2239
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:37,120
about a quarter of a mile from the

2240
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:38,480
meadow

2241
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,639
and then i had one of my researchers on

2242
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:42,560
her way home

2243
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:44,560
in an adjacent state so she drove you

2244
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:47,120
know several hours to go back home

2245
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:50,480
and her car lost all power all electrics

2246
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:52,239
everything you know all electronics died

2247
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:53,280
on it

2248
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:55,360
uh so you know we look in the literature

2249
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:57,440
where have we seen vehicles completely

2250
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,120
dying before

2251
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:00,880
so this is happening hundreds of miles

2252
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:03,120
away from this location we've had uh

2253
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:04,560
strange uh

2254
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:06,639
downloads of information with some of

2255
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:08,320
our team members i had a former air

2256
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,719
force special operations guy that had a

2257
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:12,880
very strange download of a particular

2258
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:14,080
term

2259
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:17,679
translated it

2260
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:19,840
it turned out to be uh

2261
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:23,510
latin

2262
01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:26,239
and uh old english

2263
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:28,239
and it translated into the children of

2264
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,600
the night goddess so you know

2265
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:33,360
so water like little children that come

2266
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,960
to you at night that have big heads you

2267
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:36,400
know yeah

2268
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:38,880
the grays you know so

2269
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:41,280
this thing is constantly surprising us

2270
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,840
with this this just rich tapestry of

2271
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:45,920
phenomena you know and some of it just

2272
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:47,920
completely comes out of left field uh

2273
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:50,400
you know we did uh the ce5 protocol you

2274
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:52,480
know dr grier's protocol didn't see

2275
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,600
doodly

2276
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,440
and then that night my team member gets

2277
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:57,760
a download so

2278
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,800
you know it's one of those things that

2279
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:00,960
just keeps surprising you

2280
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:03,440
how many people would you do you have

2281
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:06,159
like as is your your team members ebb

2282
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:09,280
and flow or do you have like this

2283
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:11,360
you know a certain amount of people

2284
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:13,920
on a team that show up there yeah we

2285
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,040
have uh

2286
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:17,679
probably about 10 team members uh and

2287
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,600
you know we all have lives so you know

2288
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:21,760
we might have you know 10 or 12 people

2289
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:24,000
on an expedition and sometimes we might

2290
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:25,600
only have four so you know of course the

2291
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:27,199
the number of people we can get out in

2292
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,239
the field

2293
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,480
uh you know really drives our abilities

2294
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:32,560
to research that particular outing we

2295
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:34,880
hope to get an outing in two weeks so

2296
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:37,280
we're trying to gear up for that

2297
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,679
here's a question from mary grace again

2298
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:41,360
are hot spots more wrapped to happen

2299
01:25:52,830 --> 01:25:51,590
i think so i think people that are more

2300
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:52,840
attuned

2301
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:56,159
uh or maybe more apt to recognize this

2302
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,239
phenomenon versus people that aren't you

2303
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:59,600
know if you go through life with

2304
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:01,040
blinders on you're not going to see the

2305
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:03,040
world but if you take the blinders off

2306
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:04,159
you're going to start seeing a whole lot

2307
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:05,920
of other things so yeah i think people

2308
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:07,920
that are more aware

2309
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:09,280
and more open will definitely start

2310
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,800
having these phenomena

2311
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:12,800
certainly

2312
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:14,080
so

2313
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:15,840
what about the things that you've

2314
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:17,920
personally witnessed there can you kind

2315
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:19,360
of go through a list of things you

2316
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:22,159
mentioned you saw like orbs in a tree

2317
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:25,600
and you were disorientated at one point

2318
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,199
um can you well first of all can you

2319
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:29,679
describe what you mean by disorientated

2320
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:32,000
absolutely absolutely uh

2321
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:33,679
yeah we talked a little bit about my

2322
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:35,440
background i i was

2323
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,040
i'm an eagle scout which means i've

2324
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:38,960
spent a lot of time in the woods uh i've

2325
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,520
earned the boy scouts uh 50 miler award

2326
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:43,679
which you get when you do 50 miles

2327
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:45,040
either on foot

2328
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:48,080
or by canoe i've earned that three times

2329
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:49,040
wow

2330
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:51,520
i was an army intelligence officer

2331
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:54,159
i've hunted big game in africa and all

2332
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:56,239
over north america so

2333
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:58,080
i'm really comfortable in the outdoors

2334
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:00,159
you know i've lived most of my life you

2335
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:02,080
know running around in the wilderness in

2336
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:05,120
one state or another so all that being

2337
01:27:09,669 --> 01:27:07,440
said it's not uh you know not to

2338
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:09,679
opine about my you know superhuman

2339
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:10,960
outdoors abilities just saying that i'm

2340
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:12,320
very comfortable in the outdoors and i

2341
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,120
know how to navigate and stuff like that

2342
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,040
uh this particular area that we've been

2343
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:19,440
to the meadow i i've probably been to

2344
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:23,040
the meadow 150 times

2345
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:25,600
and it was a uh

2346
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:27,440
it was an outing that had just a very

2347
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:28,960
few of us we weren't able to get a

2348
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,800
complete uh compliment of our team

2349
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,800
members out there so one of my team

2350
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:34,400
members and i decided that we would just

2351
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:35,840
go and take baseline reading you know

2352
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:39,040
radiation electromagnetic uh temperature

2353
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:40,800
things like that during the day you know

2354
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:43,280
just basically a nice you know a nice

2355
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:44,719
walk out in the woods in a beautiful

2356
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,800
location with a good friend

2357
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:48,880
and we decided we were going to cross a

2358
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,880
creek to the north of the meadow and

2359
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:52,800
explore the other side of it to see kind

2360
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:54,960
of what was over there

2361
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:57,280
well i crossed the creek

2362
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:00,320
and much to my surprise i found another

2363
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,440
field or opening you know another meadow

2364
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,360
it looked completely different it was it

2365
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:07,199
was a new location and i was very

2366
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:08,400
excited

2367
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:10,239
and i you know

2368
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:11,679
you know yelled over to my team member i

2369
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,120
said hey kristen

2370
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:15,520
i found another field another place for

2371
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,000
us to research this is really cool

2372
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,639
and she goes what are you talking about

2373
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,400
i said no i'm standing in this other

2374
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:24,159
field you know and it's going to be

2375
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,760
really cool we just have to cross the

2376
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:27,520
creek but you know we need to start

2377
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:29,840
researching here she goes don't move

2378
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:32,159
i'll be right there

2379
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:34,639
and so i said okay so i put my boots

2380
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:36,080
back on where i'd cross the creek and

2381
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:37,920
i'm sitting there waiting for her and

2382
01:28:41,830 --> 01:28:40,239
she comes over and she goes

2383
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,840
where are you trey and i said i'm in

2384
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:43,440
this new field she goes no you're not

2385
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:45,280
you're you're in the meadow that we've

2386
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,920
been researching for the past few years

2387
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:49,440
and i look around and i'm like no no

2388
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,320
we're not she goes no look at it

2389
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:54,239
you're in a place you've been

2390
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:55,600
to

2391
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:58,000
70 times

2392
01:29:03,270 --> 01:28:59,440
and

2393
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:03,280
looked at the field

2394
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,159
it almost changed is that my perception

2395
01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:08,480
of it completely changed

2396
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,480
and i was so confused and so disoriented

2397
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:14,239
that if i had not had a team member

2398
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,760
there and we have a protocol that you

2399
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:17,760
never go out by yourself you always have

2400
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:20,159
radio communications with base camp you

2401
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:22,719
always have a map compass and gps

2402
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,320
so you won't get lost you always have

2403
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,159
water and stuff with you

2404
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:28,080
and if i had not been following our very

2405
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:30,719
strict safety protocols

2406
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,480
i could have been so disoriented that i

2407
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:33,920
could have wandered off in another

2408
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,040
direction

2409
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:37,280
thinking i was heading somewhere and

2410
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,600
been completely lost and disappeared

2411
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:41,280
and so i have to wonder is that what

2412
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:43,280
happens to people

2413
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:45,360
that are david pilates writes about that

2414
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:47,600
that just disappear you know they just

2415
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:49,600
are not there anymore that they have

2416
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,960
this strange

2417
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,560
shift in

2418
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:54,320
their perception of where they're at and

2419
01:29:59,430 --> 01:29:56,639
it's so incredibly

2420
01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:59,440
mind-blowingly disorientating

2421
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:01,280
that they uh they get so confused that

2422
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:02,719
they wander off

2423
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,719
or

2424
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:06,960
are they taken somewhere else

2425
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:09,199
you know do they step into a portal

2426
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,880
and for whatever reason they're not able

2427
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:12,639
to walk back out

2428
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,159
the weird thing is is the place where

2429
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:16,480
this disorientation happened was the

2430
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:18,800
same place where we saw that weird

2431
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:21,840
keyhole shaped uh shape on the sapling

2432
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:23,600
exact same location

2433
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:24,960
ah

2434
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:26,800
and and what are that's that's really

2435
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:29,520
interesting and and what are some of the

2436
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:31,520
other things that you personally

2437
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:32,880
witnessed

2438
01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:39,040
these these entities of these figures

2439
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:41,679
uh captured on flear

2440
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:44,080
uh i have heard

2441
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,960
uh

2442
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:47,040
what can be described by some folks in

2443
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:49,360
the uh the cryptid world

2444
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:52,320
as samurai chatter uh ron moorhead talks

2445
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:54,400
a lot about it in his book uh

2446
01:30:58,629 --> 01:30:57,280
the sierra sounds it's kind of a low

2447
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:58,639
murmuring

2448
01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:01,199
uh off in the distance i've heard that

2449
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:02,719
which uh is

2450
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:06,239
uh has been tied by some folks uh to the

2451
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:09,360
uh the the uh tall whites you know uh

2452
01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:12,480
entities or to uh sasquatch

2453
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:16,320
uh i have observed uh

2454
01:31:22,709 --> 01:31:19,120
gifting like we had an incident where we

2455
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:22,719
had a a stick woven in somebody's pack

2456
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:25,600
straps during the night

2457
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:27,840
while we were researching uh and there's

2458
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:31,679
a photograph of that in the book uh

2459
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:33,520
you know these strange cubes now you

2460
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:37,120
know i've seen those on flear

2461
01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:39,679
we had a almost like a woman in black

2462
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:45,910
which was very strange you know a a

2463
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:47,600
businesswoman appearing in the middle of

2464
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:49,040
the woods

2465
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:50,560
you know in the wintertime you know

2466
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:53,679
dressed in slacks loafers and a blazer

2467
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:55,360
uh trying to get us

2468
01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:57,360
to distract us from what we were doing

2469
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:59,520
so you know it's very typical man and

2470
01:32:01,990 --> 01:32:00,560
black

2471
01:32:03,669 --> 01:32:02,000
kind of stuff

2472
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:03,679
uh you know i witnessed that personally

2473
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:04,880
and i'm just looking through my list

2474
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:13,350
the download you know i i

2475
01:32:17,430 --> 01:32:15,040
you know interviewed the guy when he had

2476
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:17,440
the uh the download of the strange words

2477
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:19,280
i was there at the sd session i was

2478
01:32:21,830 --> 01:32:20,800
actually the one doing the uh the

2479
01:32:24,149 --> 01:32:21,840
questioning

2480
01:32:26,709 --> 01:32:24,159
i've seen numerous vehicles

2481
01:32:28,470 --> 01:32:26,719
lock themselves unlocked themselves i've

2482
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:28,480
seen strange lights in the trees and

2483
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:29,679
orbs

2484
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:31,440
uh so yeah just just a whole bunch of

2485
01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:34,000
stuff and that's just me personally

2486
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:36,000
yeah and

2487
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:37,360
when

2488
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:41,199
as far as the ufos go there oh

2489
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,800
i've seen those two you have yeah

2490
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:46,960
and uh other are there quite a bit of

2491
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:48,239
sightings there

2492
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:49,600
you know uh

2493
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:51,840
that's a good question uh we are just

2494
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:55,920
now starting to expand our research to

2495
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:57,920
do more sky watch you know that hasn't

2496
01:33:01,030 --> 01:32:59,360
been something we've been doing a whole

2497
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:01,040
lot of in the past so

2498
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:04,080
uh you know i do have some video of uh

2499
01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:06,320
you know some pretty neat uh

2500
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:07,600
uaps

2501
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:09,840
and so we hope to start trying to film

2502
01:33:13,510 --> 01:33:10,800
that

2503
01:33:15,189 --> 01:33:13,520
unfortunately

2504
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:15,199
you start having

2505
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:17,280
too many phenomena and too few team

2506
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:18,320
members

2507
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:20,080
to uh to research it so you have to kind

2508
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:21,600
of pick and choose you know what you're

2509
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:28,470
i see yeah

2510
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:30,159
and one of the things you always hear

2511
01:33:35,189 --> 01:33:32,800
about is the filming you know we don't

2512
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:35,199
really there's no real good films of

2513
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:37,520
ufos are there are and you know some of

2514
01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:39,520
them are cgi and stuff like that do you

2515
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:41,199
have what you consider really good

2516
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:44,080
footage no no not really you know uh and

2517
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:45,760
and you know uh you know just from you

2518
01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:47,679
know being in the field that

2519
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:49,760
a lot of the film are you know films are

2520
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:52,560
strange lights in the sky you know or

2521
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:54,800
some sort of object in the sky

2522
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:56,639
and so what i did is you know the film

2523
01:34:00,229 --> 01:33:58,320
that we saw which were

2524
01:34:01,510 --> 01:34:00,239
lights in the sky at night as i you know

2525
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:01,520
put on my

2526
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:03,360
field investigator hat

2527
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:04,960
if fi hat and i started out you know i

2528
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:06,960
went to flight radar 24. you know were

2529
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:08,800
there any

2530
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:10,560
aircraft in the vicinity you know they

2531
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:13,199
were not you know what was the uh

2532
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:14,800
what were the ballistics of the objects

2533
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:16,480
they were moving from high in the sky to

2534
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:18,639
low in the sky an aircraft coming over

2535
01:34:22,629 --> 01:34:20,880
the horizon would start low in the sky

2536
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:22,639
and go high in the sky so it you know it

2537
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,320
didn't match with an aircraft coming

2538
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:26,000
from below the horizon

2539
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:27,760
um you know what was a light pattern the

2540
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:29,520
light pattern

2541
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:32,880
of aircraft you know i didn't see the

2542
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:34,560
anti-collision lights i didn't see the

2543
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:35,520
red

2544
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:38,320
in green uh navigation lights i didn't

2545
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:41,040
see you know the the strobing red light

2546
01:34:44,390 --> 01:34:42,639
anti-collision light

2547
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:44,400
so

2548
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:45,280
you know

2549
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:48,080
one of it was a uap an unidentified

2550
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:51,199
aerial phenomenon you know what was it

2551
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:53,440
i don't have a good solid picture of

2552
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:55,679
what it was but it was enough to make me

2553
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:02,629
i'd like to share something because uh

2554
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:03,920
uh

2555
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:06,400
i was walking home last

2556
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:08,960
uh last friday night from a restaurant

2557
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:11,600
up in maine in the area where i live in

2558
01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:13,360
the rockland main area

2559
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:16,639
and uh i

2560
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:18,880
had a sighting but

2561
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:20,800
it was a drone

2562
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:23,440
but also this thing was uh red and then

2563
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:26,560
it kept really bright but i filmed it

2564
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,480
and i was able to catch it on my way

2565
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:30,400
home and i just want to

2566
01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:33,440
show this and share this now and just to

2567
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:35,679
let everyone know this has been i had

2568
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:38,639
mark d'antonio look at it and a few

2569
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:40,400
other people and and it's it's

2570
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:43,040
definitely a drone but at the time when

2571
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:44,800
i saw it it kind of

2572
01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:47,040
i kind of thought i was seeing ufo and i

2573
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:47,840
thought

2574
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:50,000
wow uh because it

2575
01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:52,239
i went over to take a look where it was

2576
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:53,679
and you know the field where i thought

2577
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:55,119
it would have been and you know there

2578
01:36:22,830 --> 01:35:57,119
was no one over at the field but anyway

2579
01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:25,669
reflection lens reflection whatever but

2580
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:35,910
geez

2581
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:37,360
this is

2582
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:39,520
unbelievable

2583
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:41,440
those little things moving around that's

2584
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:42,800
just the

2585
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:44,960
street lights and the lens

2586
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:46,800
but this red thing

2587
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:01,910
so uh

2588
01:37:05,910 --> 01:37:04,320
anyway i just thought i'd share that uh

2589
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:05,920
because

2590
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:07,920
a lot of people would see that and i

2591
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:09,440
thought for i thought i was actually

2592
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,960
seeing a ufo

2593
01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:12,480
and uh

2594
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,320
it's still it's still kind of a kind of

2595
01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:17,040
a wild thing to watch uh and it was

2596
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:19,199
extremely windy you can hear it the wind

2597
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:21,119
was blowing really really hard i'm not

2598
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:22,159
really sure

2599
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:24,880
uh that that would be optimal time to to

2600
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:26,960
send a drone up or not or or why they'd

2601
01:37:31,510 --> 01:37:29,280
send it up and there's really nothing

2602
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:31,520
going on in the area but anyway

2603
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:33,199
i was told that was a drone but that

2604
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:34,800
makes it tough for

2605
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:36,719
people that are i mean someone could

2606
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:38,480
post that on youtube which i did and

2607
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:40,960
took it right off uh as soon as i found

2608
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:43,679
out for sure it was a drone

2609
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:45,600
yeah that's a that's interesting i fly

2610
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,760
drones and uh

2611
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:49,280
you know i wouldn't have a drone up you

2612
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:51,280
know at night in that kind of wind you

2613
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:53,760
know and that the lighting pattern

2614
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:55,600
doesn't look terribly drone light

2615
01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:57,920
especially with the really bright white

2616
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:00,960
light that's that's kind of odd uh

2617
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:02,880
so i guess that's one of the things

2618
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:04,800
that's just a you know shoulder shrug

2619
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:06,000
you know

2620
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:08,800
something flying around in the sky

2621
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:11,520
yeah and uh i i that was just part of

2622
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:14,000
the footage i i looked earlier

2623
01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:16,080
um at the full footage and there was a

2624
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:17,119
point where it

2625
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:20,000
get really bright really bright white

2626
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:22,560
like that and then went back to red um

2627
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:24,960
do drones have lighting that does things

2628
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,639
you know different lights like that uh

2629
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:28,560
yeah the ones that uh you know i fly

2630
01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:31,360
usually have some sort of uh

2631
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:32,719
uh

2632
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:34,639
marker lights but they're not real

2633
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:36,880
bright they're just you know some lights

2634
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:38,800
you know out on the four corners you

2635
01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:40,480
know where your rotors are

2636
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:42,639
uh the white light is what i you know i

2637
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:44,639
find kind of odd is

2638
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:47,760
you know white light would be for what

2639
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:50,080
purpose on a drone you know is it to

2640
01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:52,960
illuminate something for the camera

2641
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:55,119
you know the drone camera is it like a

2642
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:56,639
navigation light

2643
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:58,639
uh usually you're not supposed to fly

2644
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,880
drones you know at night because it's

2645
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:02,560
you know dangerous

2646
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:06,159
uh so that's that's interesting uh

2647
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:07,440
unfortunately it's one of those things

2648
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:08,880
that you you'll probably never know

2649
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:10,800
exactly what that thing was

2650
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,840
yeah yeah well i'm always careful i have

2651
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:16,080
to be very careful because i do the show

2652
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,480
and i like to have really good integrity

2653
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:20,480
you know i don't want to say everything

2654
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:23,360
i see is a ufo so uh right off the bat i

2655
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:25,360
said this is probably a drone but i just

2656
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:27,600
you know it it kind of freaked me out

2657
01:39:32,629 --> 01:39:30,800
and uh i was so glad because i've had

2658
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,639
uh you know situations happen before

2659
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,480
where i try to get my camera out

2660
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:36,239
and get it going and then by the time i

2661
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:38,000
do it with whatever it is and i'm not

2662
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:39,840
talking about ufos but other things yeah

2663
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:42,239
yeah it's over whatever it is

2664
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:43,600
so i was really glad that i was able to

2665
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:46,000
catch that but uh yeah i thought the

2666
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:48,000
most puzzling thing of that was a bright

2667
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:50,000
light and also that the winds were

2668
01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:52,400
extremely high that night and um i

2669
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:53,920
wouldn't think that would i'd i've never

2670
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:55,360
flown a drone but i wouldn't think that

2671
01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:00,870
you know yeah

2672
01:40:04,629 --> 01:40:03,040
yeah some of the higher end drones are

2673
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:04,639
you know much more stable you know

2674
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:06,400
during high winds but

2675
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:09,840
yeah it can be kind of tricky yeah yeah

2676
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:12,000
um okay so

2677
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:14,480
i think this is going to uh well well

2678
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:16,080
first of all did i hear you say you have

2679
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:18,560
a you do have a book i don't remember

2680
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:19,520
um

2681
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,119
where that's available is it amazon and

2682
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,679
everywhere yeah it's it's on amazon it

2683
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:25,840
is probably the best way to find it is

2684
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:28,239
to go to amazon to the search block and

2685
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:29,920
just type in my name

2686
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:32,880
you know trey hudson t r e y h u d s

2687
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:35,360
h u d s o n common spelling

2688
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:37,199
uh it's called the meadow project

2689
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:39,199
explorations into the south skinwalker

2690
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,040
ranch and uh cool thing is uh the e-book

2691
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:45,679
is i think 4.99 that's you know very

2692
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:47,440
reasonable yeah

2693
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:49,119
you know if nothing else it's uh you

2694
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,880
know worth uh you know spending a few

2695
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:53,360
bucks to take a look at uh we also have

2696
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,880
it on audiobook

2697
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:56,159
so people want to listen to it while

2698
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:58,080
they're driving to and from work that's

2699
01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:00,000
why we have it in soft cover and

2700
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:02,080
hardcover so pretty much all of your uh

2701
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:04,960
various mediums there uh it's available

2702
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:06,239
there on amazon

2703
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:08,480
right and uh and you did this through

2704
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:11,119
flying disc philip mantle who uh that's

2705
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:13,280
how we got connected i i think the world

2706
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:15,280
of him he does a really nice job yeah

2707
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,639
and uh and uh so anyway uh as he did

2708
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:20,480
once again he he picked a really good

2709
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:22,880
author i really appreciate uh talking to

2710
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,639
you tonight well thank you thank you for

2711
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:26,320
having me all right

2712
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:27,760
everything worked out

2713
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:30,480
oh yeah me too one last thing uh how

2714
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:31,840
would people reach you if someone would

2715
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,280
like to reach you

2716
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:35,440
uh the best way to reach me is with a

2717
01:41:39,030 --> 01:41:37,360
really long stick with a hook on the end

2718
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:39,040
no i'm kidding

2719
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:42,400
the best way is uh on facebook is trey

2720
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,800
hudson dash author

2721
01:41:49,990 --> 01:41:46,960
is you know my facebook page

2722
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,000
and then also you can go to the uh

2723
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:52,639
oxford paranormal society

2724
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:55,040
uh group page there on facebook

2725
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,880
and uh so you know i'll pop in from time

2726
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:58,239
to time and

2727
01:42:01,750 --> 01:42:00,159
you know opine about stuff that probably

2728
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:01,760
nobody cares about but you know that's

2729
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:03,119
probably the best way to reach out there

2730
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:04,080
and uh

2731
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,480
and and touch base with me excellent

2732
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,719
well good luck with this this meadow i'm

2733
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:10,800
really fascinated by it and and you know

2734
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:12,719
if if there are any breakthroughs i

2735
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:14,400
would love to hear back from you sure

2736
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:15,520
absolutely

2737
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:16,560
i will

2738
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:19,040
surely do it all right trey take care

2739
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:21,119
thank you thank you

2740
01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:23,119
all right everyone so that's it for this

2741
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:25,119
evening thank you so much for tuning in

2742
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:26,719
especially with the time change and

2743
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:28,400
everything i do appreciate that

2744
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:31,440
next week we have neil nixon from the uk

2745
01:42:34,629 --> 01:42:33,600
he'll be on and after that i'll be

2746
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,639
traveling

2747
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,560
in out west on the west coast in

2748
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,480
california and hopefully

2749
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,320
uh tentatively

2750
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:42,960
on october 19th i'll be sitting down um

2751
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:44,960
at stanford with uh gary nolan that

2752
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:47,360
should be a really uh exciting show for

2753
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:49,920
that one and thank you so much everyone

2754
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:53,360
and uh we will again see you next week

2755
01:42:58,890 --> 01:42:56,000
and as always uh keep your eyes to the

2756
01:43:08,210 --> 01:42:58,900
sky